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Foxxie
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I think a couple people need to do a little bit of reading.

Membership is tied to real-world money, yes. However you can't gamble with it. I can't spend a month of my membership to get a random item immediately.

Items obtained through gameplay like Minigame points are not tied to real-world money. Yes, you can gamble away your barbarian assault points for random items. But that act isn't tied to real-world money as you cannot buy barbarian assault points directly. You must pay for membership (a service) and gain points through gameplay. There is no alternative.

Bonds are tied to real-world money, and can be used to directly purchase keys which in turn can be used to gamble. This is a problem, and should be addressed. However this thread is about Duty of Care and Treasure Hunter specifically. If anyone would like me to address bonds, I will create another thread in another forum.

Keys can be indirectly obtained through real-world money as well. An example being the Premier Club daily "bonus". This is a problem, and should be addressed. However this thread is about Duty of Care and Treasure Hunter specifically. If anyone would like me to address Premier, I will create another thread in another forum.

Gambling, as judged in the real-world, involved the direct use of real-world money or proxies. One could say Treasure Hunter doesn't count as you don't pay to open boxes, you pay to obtain keys that are used to open boxes.
I say to that then that chips used in a casino don't count as you don't pay to play the slots, you pay to obtain chips that are used to play the slots.
Hopefully the fallacy in that logic is apparent.

17-Apr-2020 23:59:35

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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I think certain player need to play the game a little bit more. Bonds can be used to buy membership and membership and gp instantly and a lot of people are gambling with gp non-stop at Sand Casino. Now that we are talking about potential real world gambling as many real world governments have flagged such games of chance operated between players.

Oh! Certain player also need to do a little reading on the Duty of Care session of the UK Online Harm White Paper. It doesn't say anything specific about "gambling". The "duty" of the operators are just to reveal the content of the random prizes which is EXACTLY what Jagex is doing. It certainly doesn't forbid games to have random elements. It certainly doesn't care about how profitable the operators are or if they have other ways to monetize their products.

18-Apr-2020 01:11:59 - Last edited on 18-Apr-2020 01:35:08 by Dilbert2001

Miu

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Duty of care seeks to address the gambling nature of TH. Most likely to safeguard Jagex's MTX transactions before governments begin to take action.

Duty of care does not change the damaging nature of TH. In fact, the ability to choose your own reward further devalues xp, and would do more damage than TH does to the game currently.
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18-Apr-2020 02:04:06

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Dilbert2001 said :
I think certain player need to play the game a little bit more. Bonds can be used to buy membership and membership and gp instantly and a lot of people are gambling with gp non-stop at Sand Casino. Now that we are talking about potential real world gambling as many real world governments have flagged such games of chance operated between players..

Exactly.

Theres more than a fair few ppl im sure that only pay for membership with ingame gp so its entirely possible.
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18-Apr-2020 02:04:40

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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Miu said :
Duty of care seeks to address the gambling nature of TH. Most likely to safeguard Jagex's MTX transactions before governments begin to take action.

Duty of care does not change the damaging nature of TH. In fact, the ability to choose your own reward further devalues xp, and would do more damage than TH does to the game currently.

They already addressed it. It is simply not gambling. Feel free to go ask the governments.

18-Apr-2020 03:44:23

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said :
Miu said :
Duty of care seeks to address the gambling nature of TH. Most likely to safeguard Jagex's MTX transactions before governments begin to take action.

Duty of care does not change the damaging nature of TH. In fact, the ability to choose your own reward further devalues xp, and would do more damage than TH does to the game currently.

They already addressed it. It is simply not gambling. Feel free to go ask the governments.

Hence the statement, before governments take action.
Don't forget – RuneScape members get TWO free spins a day instead of the usual one!

09-Jun-2020 22:45:18

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Miu said :
Duty of care seeks to address the gambling nature of TH. Most likely to safeguard Jagex's MTX transactions before governments begin to take action.

Duty of care does not change the damaging nature of TH. In fact, the ability to choose your own reward further devalues xp, and would do more damage than TH does to the game currently.

They already addressed it. It is simply not gambling. Feel free to go ask the governments.

Hence the statement, before governments take action.

Why are you so desperate to grave bump two threads with no comments over 2 months, and still have nothing to add? :D

For the record, the governments have taken action and Jagex has written an official news blog to share with us - the governments praised Jagex for their best-practice and award-winning work:

"What is clear is that games companies have a huge responsibility to their players, and a duty of care that must be upheld. And this extends beyond game worlds. It’s important to note that the DCMS has recognised our safeguarding best-practice, and our award-winning work that raises mental health awareness within our communities via our charity partners, though we know there is more we can do, and more that we are doing."


https://www.jagex.com/en-GB/news/NhvGG2/why-live-service-video-games-have-a-duty-of-care-

10-Jun-2020 02:36:47

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