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Doorknob747

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Dilbert2001 said :
"There are much better things to use money on in real life, like taxes to help the government."


Absolutely. That's why TH among other MTX is so good to players who will rather use the money for other things in real life. TH gives them free items/gp. They can also convert gp to bonds that can translate to membership time, Premier Club etc.

So TH is good to all players who will rather use most of the money they will otherwise have to spend in game on their real life needs. Whales are good. TH is good.


SO you are saying that it good to promote not using money for better purposes. I see parents giving a big nono to their teenage kids who ask them to pay for the game.

Your last paragraph make no sense. Please be more passive in your sentences. The last paragraph is like saying two sides of the argument at once.

How does paying for game improve someones life, it does not. It makes you a chair potato.
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24-Mar-2018 01:17:36 - Last edited on 24-Mar-2018 01:21:18 by Doorknob747

Dilbert2001
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To the ones who pay for bragging rights or they just want to get ahead of the others, TH is obvious good since they can pay to win.

To the ones who don't care about the others buying advantages from TH, they are benefited by the free stuff/gp from TH that they can be used to buy membership or other MTX items themselves. They have nothing to lose since they don't care about the others. TH is good since it can only save them real money.

To Jagex, they get both the players playing for TH and the free/semi-free ones who play and make the game more interesting for the others. Obviously, it is all good to them.

Yes. TH is win-win-win situation to pay-to-win players, free/causal players and Jagex. TH is only bad to those who want to win but can't stand the ones who pay more than them to win and brag. :D :D :D

24-Mar-2018 03:05:08

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Noob King said :
Without TH and MTX in general the game wouldn't survive, unless membership would go up a lot. This is why i disagree with your opinion to remove TH.

Don't like it? Play Ironman, no TH there.

Cute, you have 2 of the 3 classic apologist cliches here:

1. "TH/MTX is needed for the game to survive"
2. "Just play ironman mode if you don't like TH"

For the first one, a quick look at Jagex's financial statements (which you can find at the Companies House) reveals that none of the MTX is necessary for the game to be making profit, and this thread is for the removal of TH only. Even if you removed all of the MTX, there'd be no need to increase the membership prices.

For the second one, it's not an acceptable solution; making an ironman requires you to start over, which would make all your previous progress null and void. On top of that, it comes with other restrictions that not everyone who hates TH, is willing to nor should be forced to take. And finally, if you encourage Jagex to exploit its customers by turning a blind eye to TH, you do realize that nothing is going to stop them from doing the same in another way to ironmen too? They could do something as simple as making a new store that sells exp at fixed real money prices, and it'd be allowed for ironmen, because it wouldn't be TH, it'd be its own entity.

So please, do a bit more research, instead of believing everything the jmods say in their PR statements. > )
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27-Mar-2018 13:10:21

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In responce to Blackwing ^^
Not gonna quote because it leaves me with no characters left :P

First off, Jagex is owned by Insight Venture Partners, they expect to make money from the company, not just to keep the game alive.

Second, if you actually look into how much they profit (Not total revenue), then you can see how vital a part the MTX is to the game. Yes they would still make a profit without it, but you still have to take into account that they are owned by a parant company, which want to make a decent profit too.

Third, if you don't want TH, but don't want to play Ironman (Or the upcoming group ironman) then why not just ignore TH? How is it hurting you?
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27-Mar-2018 13:49:31

Sharp-shin

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Noob King said :
First off, Jagex is owned by Insight Venture Partners, they expect to make money from the company, not just to keep the game alive.

*was owned

Now they're owned by the Chinese.


Noob King said :
Second, if you actually look into how much they profit (Not total revenue), then you can see how vital a part the MTX is to the game. Yes they would still make a profit without it, but you still have to take into account that they are owned by a parant company, which want to make a decent profit too.

That's just it; TH is asked to be removed here, not all MTX. MTX includes bonds and runecoins too, both of which are also pretty heavily sold. Removing TH would be just fine.


Noob King said :
Third, if you don't want TH, but don't want to play Ironman (Or the upcoming group ironman) then why not just ignore TH? How is it hurting you?

There we go, I knew you could figure out the third cliche and include it as well. > )

Let's step back for a second; do you know what Runescape is? It's a massive multiplayer online RPG. What do multiplayer games typically have you do? Interact with other players and influence their gameplay in various ways. Some interactions/influences in Runescape include, but are not limited to:

1. Trading/buying/selling items
2. PvPing
3. Bossing

Now, what if I told you that TH affects all those things negatively? That's right, you might not be aware of it yourself if you try your hardest to ignore it, but not being aware of it doesn't mean nothing is happening behind your back.

continued in the next post
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27-Mar-2018 14:38:16

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continued from above

TH kills the purpose of hiscores, because it's physically impossible to compete with the exp rates provided by TH, by using actual training methods.

TH gives exp without consuming actual resources in the game, meaning that using keys to train skills like prayer, herblore, smithing etc, means that bones, herbs, unf potions, bars etc resources are not used, which results in the said resources losing their value due to decreased demand.

TH also injects more of those resources into the game, because they're used as the "junk" white/yellow prizes, which the key buyers don't bother using, so they dump them to the GE, resulting in those resources losing their value further, due to increased supply as well.

TH, due to having the fastest exp/hour in the entire game, accelerates the rate at which new players have access to certain moneymaking methods that have skill requirements, for example incandescent energy gathering. This results in the said moneymaking methods losing their moneymaking potential faster than is natural.

TH, again due to having the fastest exp/hour in the whole game, allows you to pay to win by being able to buy all your skill levels very quickly, which can be used against other players in PvP, or when competing against other players in slayer, FFA bossing, gathering certain resources etc.

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27-Mar-2018 14:38:30

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continued from above

...and those are just the harmful consequences when you're playing in-game. TH also encourages Jagex to be lazier, because if people pay them the same amount of money, or more money, for doing less work, then they aren't going to bother working as much for their income anymore, now are they? You can see it in the quantity and quality of updates already: temporary events are constantly spammed unto us, with the same basic skeleton of mechanics but a different graphical skin laid over it (Lumbridge crater events & currency package events). Actual game updates are constantly delayed (see Solak as a recent example, delayed multiple times), and still come with major bugs (see the clue scroll rework, which had a simple bug that allowed the abusers to open the same reward casket as many times as they wanted).

So, honestly, if you're happy with all that, good for you and I hope that your bubble never bursts, for your own sake. Personally though, I can't live in a similar state of ignorance, because I want to have a meaningful gameplay experience, which actually requires some effort from Jagex; the level of effort that they used to have long ago. > )
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27-Mar-2018 14:38:38

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