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Draco Burnz
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Dilbert2001 said :
TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX.

TH is optional. SGS is also optional. Nobody is required to pay any real money, or better yet, they can earn gp in game and use TH and SGS for no real money.

To me, there really should not be any argument on SGS vs TH. They are just game features that players can choose to have fun with, or not, with real money, or not.

When rational people have time to sit down and think, they probably will come up with the same conclusion of some Polygon editors. No matter how much they hate MTX., no matter how many 9000 word articles they write to blast MTX, no matter how unfair they think the world including the rating agencies like ESRB are giving them the cold shoulders...
in the end they still realize everybody is allowed to conduct their business, provide their ratings, and play the games the way they like to. The bottom line is they can't change it, so they will just have to live with it.
:D :D :D

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20-Mar-2018 20:28:56

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said :
TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX. No, they live off membership subscriptions. As already proven in this thread, most of Jagex's revenue is from membership, not MTX. You can remove the MTX from the game and Jagex will still be going strong. You can't remove the game from the MTX and keep earning revenue, can you? ;)
Don't forget – RuneScape members get TWO free spins a day instead of the usual one!

20-Mar-2018 21:48:34

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Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX. No, they live off membership subscriptions. As already proven in this thread, most of Jagex's revenue is from membership, not MTX. You can remove the MTX from the game and Jagex will still be going strong. You can't remove the game from the MTX and keep earning revenue, can you? ;)

I have to agree with @Miu. If MTX is removed from the game, more people might play RS3. In fact, one major reason why some people moved to OSRS was the introduction of the MTX system. OSRS does not have a MTX system. I once went to OSRS and started talking about MTX, and people started calling me a traitor there and suggested that I go back to RS3.

Just compare the sheer size of the RS3 player base to the more massive OSRS player base. It is really self evident that removing MTX from RS3 will increase its player base. By continuing to be on the MTX system we are hurting the player base, as it is gradually decreasing.

Now to make sure that we are staying on topic with the OPer, TH is a major part of the MTX system. Now you might wonder that if I do not support the removal of TH, but support the removal of MTX, how is that possible? The removal of MTX can be done without the removal of TH, by making it that you can no longer buy extra keys.

Basically the TH key system should be changed back to how it was when "Squeel of Fortune" first came out, where you can not buy more spins with bonds. The number of spins you got each day was the number of spins you had, unless you got more spins as a quest completion reward.

What I think should be done as stated in the previous 2 paragraphs is that the, TH and MTX should be separated from each other. JAGEX PLEASE START PLANING FOR A 300Million Account Event.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quick find code: 185-186-627-65997434

20-Mar-2018 22:00:21

Dilbert2001
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Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX. No, they live off membership subscriptions. As already proven in this thread, most of Jagex's revenue is from membership, not MTX. You can remove the MTX from the game and Jagex will still be going strong. You can't remove the game from the MTX and keep earning revenue, can you? ;)

Absolutely not. Jagex's financial reports the past 2 years have been shown many times. They MTX is revenue is growing faster than subscription revenue. Without MTX, Jagex would only be about break even last year. The more important facts looking forward are subscription revenue in MMO is falling rapidly worldwide (e.g. Superdata reported a 9% year to year drop in pay-to-pay revenue from all MMO last month) and financial analysts predicted MTX would be 40-45% of Jagex projected 2019 revenue, up from the current 36%.

Jagex knew it best because THEY OWN THEIR GAMES. Sorry, players don't own anything in Runescape, not even a pixel. :D :D :D

20-Mar-2018 22:21:38 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 22:21:51 by Dilbert2001

Dilbert2001
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Doorknob747 said :
Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX. No, they live off membership subscriptions. As already proven in this thread, most of Jagex's revenue is from membership, not MTX. You can remove the MTX from the game and Jagex will still be going strong. You can't remove the game from the MTX and keep earning revenue, can you? ;)

I have to agree with @Miu. If MTX is removed from the game, more people might play RS3. In fact, one major reason why some people moved to OSRS was the introduction of the MTX system. OSRS does not have a MTX system. I once went to OSRS and started talking about MTX, and people started calling me a traitor there and suggested that I go back to RS3.

Just compare the sheer size of the RS3 player base to the more massive OSRS player base. It is really self evident that removing MTX from RS3 will increase its player base. By continuing to be on the MTX system we are hurting the player base, as it is gradually decreasing.

Now to make sure that we are staying on topic with the OPer, TH is a major part of the MTX system. Now you might wonder that if I do not support the removal of TH, but support the removal of MTX, how is that possible? The removal of MTX can be done without the removal of TH, by making it that you can no longer buy extra keys.

Basically the TH key system should be changed back to how it was when "Squeel of Fortune" first came out, where you can not buy more spins with bonds. The number of spins you got each day was the number of spins you had, unless you got more spins as a quest completion reward.

What I think should be done as stated in the previous 2 paragraphs is that the, TH and MTX should be separated from each other.

Wrong again. REAL WORLD FINANCIAL REPORTS show Jagex's subscription is rising, although not as fast as MTX.

20-Mar-2018 22:25:05

Sharp-shin

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Doorknob747 said :
I have to agree with @Miu. If MTX is removed from the game, more people might play RS3. In fact, one major reason why some people moved to OSRS was the introduction of the MTX system. OSRS does not have a MTX system. I once went to OSRS and started talking about MTX, and people started calling me a traitor there and suggested that I go back to RS3.

Just compare the sheer size of the RS3 player base to the more massive OSRS player base. It is really self evident that removing MTX from RS3 will increase its player base. By continuing to be on the MTX system we are hurting the player base, as it is gradually decreasing.
Yeah; I'm fine with either combat system, either graphics etc, but OSRS to me is much more appealing due to the fact that it's not polluted to death with MTX. There are bonds just like in RS3 of course, but they at least have some positives to them (unlike TH) and they aren't constantly shoved in your face like TH and its promotions. RS3 could be a much better game, if the "people" running it learned some morals, or were replaced by those who already possess them. > )
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20-Mar-2018 22:37:56

Sharp-shin

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Doorknob747 said :
Now to make sure that we are staying on topic with the OPer, TH is a major part of the MTX system. Now you might wonder that if I do not support the removal of TH, but support the removal of MTX, how is that possible? The removal of MTX can be done without the removal of TH, by making it that you can no longer buy extra keys.

Basically the TH key system should be changed back to how it was when "Squeel of Fortune" first came out, where you can not buy more spins with bonds. The number of spins you got each day was the number of spins you had, unless you got more spins as a quest completion reward.

What I think should be done as stated in the previous 2 paragraphs is that the, TH and MTX should be separated from each other.
Best I can say to this is that doing this would be a step in the right direction, but it shouldn't stop here. Obviously one of the biggest problems with TH is that it's utter P2W, which would be removed by doing this, but even if you couldn't buy more keys, it'd still feel like an out-of-place injector. Spawning items out of nowhere just breaks the immersion, so even though it might give small increments of free stuff and thus be considered enjoyable, having immersion is just so much more fulfilling than that.
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20-Mar-2018 22:38:44

Doorknob747

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Dilbert2001 said :
Doorknob747 said :
Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX. No, they live off membership subscriptions. As already proven in this thread, most of Jagex's revenue is from membership, not MTX. You can remove the MTX from the game and Jagex will still be going strong. You can't remove the game from the MTX and keep earning revenue, can you? ;)

I have to agree with @Miu. If MTX is removed from the game, more people might play RS3. In fact, one major reason why some people moved to OSRS was the introduction of the MTX system. OSRS does not have a MTX system. I once went to OSRS and started talking about MTX, and people started calling me a traitor there and suggested that I go back to RS3.

Just compare the sheer size of the RS3 player base to the more massive OSRS player base. It is really self evident that removing MTX from RS3 will increase its player base. By continuing to be on the MTX system we are hurting the player base, as it is gradually decreasing.

Now to make sure that we are staying on topic with the OPer, TH is a major part of the MTX system. Now you might wonder that if I do not support the removal of TH, but support the removal of MTX, how is that possible? The removal of MTX can be done without the removal of TH, by making it that you can no longer buy extra keys.

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What I think should be done as stated in the previous 2 paragraphs is that the, TH and MTX should be separated from each other.

REAL WORLD FINANCIAL REPORTS show Jagex's subscription is rising, although not as fast as MTX. [/quote][/quote][/quote]

Those reports probably include OSRS, which should be having a increasing subscription due to the fact that it has no MTX. JAGEX PLEASE START PLANING FOR A 300Million Account Event.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quick find code: 185-186-627-65997434

20-Mar-2018 22:45:10

Dilbert2001
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Doorknob747 said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Doorknob747 said :
Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX. No, they live off membership subscriptions. As already proven in this thread, most of Jagex's revenue is from membership, not MTX. You can remove the MTX from the game and Jagex will still be going strong. You can't remove the game from the MTX and keep earning revenue, can you? ;)



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What I think should be done as stated in the previous 2 paragraphs is that the, TH and MTX should be separated from each other.

REAL WORLD FINANCIAL REPORTS show Jagex's subscription is rising, although not as fast as MTX. [/quote][/quote]

Those reports probably include OSRS, which should be having a increasing subscription due to the fact that it has no MTX.[/quote]

OS or RS3 won't matter to Jagex at all. It is all the same money to Jagex. No matter how you guess it, it doesn't change the fact that the current monetization strategy with MTX is working for Jagex, and MTX is becoming a more prominent factor going forward according to analysts.

Don't forget there are more than 30 players outside the forums who are happy to give Jagex tens of millions of $$$ in MTX revenue every year. Their opinions, and more importantly wallets, speak volume. :)

20-Mar-2018 23:54:49

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