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Mauhur
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@OP
Really, I think this legislation is going to hit EA and Activision Blizzard the hardest. They're the ones who've been pulling a crap ton of shady stuff. Since the House of Lords is on board with putting a cap on loot boxes no doubt the House of Commons will soon follow through. Unlike Belgium, the UK's influence is going to be huge.

As for Jagex, if they're serious about TH prize choices they should really look into some of their old promos and get them in line with the new ones. I absolutely despise the Rainbow's End promo because it still only presents one prize even if it's under the influence of the multiplier. (Really sucks how the multipliers themselves are now worth 0 oddments. I need those oddments for the oddments shop, Jagex!)

03-Jul-2020 01:13:31

Dilbert2001
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@Mauhur

This "legislation" won't put a cap on loot boxes at all. All along some politicians just try to use parental control and children's data privacy to their advantages. They don't care how many loot boxes EA and Blizzard sell. They are just using the loot box witch hunt as a disguise.

Putting a game of chance label on FIFA and Candy Crush won't stop the parents from spending in these games. While some children play these games, the moms and dads are actually the majority ones spending the money. EA and Blizzard can implement their own parental control systems like what Jagex is working on now too, but it won't change a thing. Those who buy will still buy because they know damn well the game of chance mechanics with or without a label or parental system.

03-Jul-2020 03:36:44 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2020 03:38:58 by Dilbert2001

Dilbert2001
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@ProleVan

There is not even a bill for this so-called legislation and I didn't even talk about if "it" will ever be submit, pass or fail.

I already clearly mentioned such "legislation" even if it passed would have no impact to Jagex whatsoever as a label of game of chance means nothing to parents, and Jagex is even willing to implement their own Parental Control. They are doing way way way way way more than the
non-existing "legislation" called or already.

Please keep in mind this thread is talk about how some hypothetical "legislation" will affect Jagex which I completely addressed to already, but not on if whoever think it will passes or not.

03-Jul-2020 15:15:56

Mauhur
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@Dilbert2001

Still doesn't change the fact EA and Activision are pumping out crummy products. The strong sale of single player games like Jedi Fallen Order proves their "games as service" model is an abject failure. People like finished products with polish more than live games designed to milk our wallets. The House of Lords weighing in on this is the cherry on top.

Also, where in my previous post did I mention parents? I was talking about grown gamers who see predatory monetization for what it is. Just a blatant cash grab.

03-Jul-2020 22:06:02

Dilbert2001
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Mauhur said :
@Dilbert2001

Still doesn't change the fact EA and Activision are pumping out crummy products. The strong sale of single player games like Jedi Fallen Order proves their "games as service" model is an abject failure. People like finished products with polish more than live games designed to milk our wallets. The House of Lords weighing in on this is the cherry on top.

Also, where in my previous post did I mention parents? I was talking about grown gamers who see predatory monetization for what it is. Just a blatant cash grab.


I don't think the Lord Reports have a beef with single player games, especially the ones like Fallen Order which has no MTX at all.

Not that you have to mention parents, the Lord Reports is aimed at protecting children. You have no choice not to talk about parents and children unless you don't talk about the Lord Report:

"The Lords report is wide-ranging, covering the entire gambling industry, but focuses in part on new forms of gambling, and those targeted towards children."

03-Jul-2020 22:21:53 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2020 22:22:42 by Dilbert2001

Mauhur
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Dilbert2001 said :
Mauhur said :
@Dilbert2001

Still doesn't change the fact EA and Activision are pumping out crummy products. The strong sale of single player games like Jedi Fallen Order proves their "games as service" model is an abject failure. People like finished products with polish more than live games designed to milk our wallets. The House of Lords weighing in on this is the cherry on top.

Also, where in my previous post did I mention parents? I was talking about grown gamers who see predatory monetization for what it is. Just a blatant cash grab.


I don't think the Lord Reports have a beef with single player games, especially the ones like Fallen Order which has no MTX at all.

Not that you have to mention parents, the Lord Reports is aimed at protecting children. You have no choice not to talk about parents and children unless you don't talk about the Lord Report:

"The Lords report is wide-ranging, covering the entire gambling industry, but focuses in part on new forms of gambling, and those targeted towards children."


I cited Fallen Order as an example of gamers' preference for polished products you buy as is not as something the Lords' Report will affect. I find it funny how the insistence of companies like EA that "single player games are dead" has been shown to be untrue. So much so that governments around the world now have to clarify their stance on gambling in the Information Age in order to crack down on predatory monetization.

G.K Chesterton said it best, "When you break the big laws, you do not get liberty; you do not even get anarchy. You get the small laws." And get the small laws we shall. Whether they're enforceable or not is a different issue. Doesn't change the fact we now have new or amended laws just to deal with this sort of thing.

As for your retort about parents, it doesn't mean I can't focus on one aspect of the report. :P

04-Jul-2020 00:12:04

Dilbert2001
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@Mauhur

Parental control is also pushed against games with absolutely not MTX too. There are many many other even more "predatory" online harms such as violence, sex, cyber bullying, trolling against children etc the UK governments are trying to combat. That's their main focus. Since single players games and such with no game of chance mechanics have totally nothing to do with this thread, I am going to stop commenting more on it right here.

I have no retort about parents like you wrongfully claimed. I am just pointing out where these recommendations to the UK Governments come from. You are not even focusing on any aspect of the report actually if you don't realize adults can use Parental Control to stop themselves from playing and paying for games like Runescape soon. Jagex is doing extremely well, and in fact, well ahead of all its peers, in implementing such a Parental Control system to safeguard all their players, whether they are children or adults. It answered completely what OP asked for... and the answer is this Lords Reports doesn't have any influence to Jagex.

04-Jul-2020 00:24:00 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2020 00:27:50 by Dilbert2001

Draco Burnz
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Mauhur said :


It's still possible to win a bad prize though. Thankfully, Jagex upped the oddments conversion rate so there's that silver lining.


TFW that =/= nothing. Also, what exactly is a "bad prize" anyways? Just because you didnt get the reward you wanted doesnt make TH gambling.

So my point still stands.
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16-Jul-2020 01:28:33 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2020 01:30:11 by Draco Burnz

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