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Jan

2018

Quael

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Gamez X said :
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Zamorak had cursed the dwarves that prevents them from using magic, without the risk of them into chaos dwarves. incamdo dwarves were not effected because Saradomin had their back. So the possibility of Zamorak cursing humans, is possible, there are proof that you can curse a human or another race without minapulating their lifeform.

I also don't think that you can become mortal again after being a reaper, but does sound interesting. And will agree with that being the idea.

I am not saying u can't believe what you want, i mean it is a theory, and it will have debates to debunk or back up the theory.

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29-Oct-2018 17:46:58 - Last edited on 29-Oct-2018 17:49:15 by Quael

Sep

2014

Gamez X

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The idea of zammy turning dwarves into chaos dwarves isnt really the same thing as humans into werewolves. When you look at them, sure chaos dwarves have magic visibly flowing through them but they are in essence still dwarves. They're the same being and the same species, just enhanced with magic. Werewolves on the other hand are something very different, humans turning into wolves is a change in their very species, thats more than just a magic enhancement

Ofcourse another species you can compare these to are the vampyres. There are the pure vampyres yes but they can also infect humans to transform into them too. Infact thinking about it, even the pure vampyres seem to have a humanoid form and a "transformed state" they can shift between at will. The vampyres also follow zammy and are often associated with him but clearly he didnt make them what they are, they where already an established race. This is why i think the werewolves where the same thing, they are a race from another world who are very similar to vampyres in that they can infect humans and transform at will. Who's to say that a true werewolf's human form is TRUELY a human or just humanoid, just like how a vampyres base form is human-like but still something different

If that world he's from is indeed the world mentioned by armadyl which was dying (implying it could have been a world of both werewolves and werecats), then it will have most certainly been destroyed by now. Thus its quite likely pestilence lost his reaper status because his world was no more

29-Oct-2018 18:09:32

Hguoh

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Quael said :
1. Guthix never gave death the role of, well death, it was stated by Jagex countless time that a reaper is made when the first mortal's death on that plane, they automaticly become death.. Death was teh first mortal to die. Guthix only bestowed balance on Death's job to prevent death from ever breaking balance

Didn't dispute this.

Quael said :
2. Even if Pestilence is still alive and a mortal, he cannot be a reaper. Now for the theory of him being one might not work out entirely, because as he said, he is cursed to be a werewolf, or he will die of the sickness. Yes due to Sliske's threat on killing death, it might be possible for death to die again, but remember one thing, No one has ever tried that, no one (in recorded history) has tried to fight death head on to KILL him. He is extremly powerful. So when Sliske threaten to kill death, of course the gods took it seriously, I mean, would you risk that possibility of death being able to die again? Plus Sliske had both the Staff and Stone, two elder artifacts that could is, in my view, was what Sliske would have used to kill death.

And if Pestilence did die? He's under the assumption that changing back would lead to his demise but that doesn't mean it is actually the case. He could have died the last time he changed back to human, and is only under the impression that he changed back just in time.

And even if the disease can still kill him, we have little reason to believe that Deaths cannot be killed (especially since we now know that even elder gods can die).

29-Oct-2018 22:08:22

Hguoh

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Quael said :
Plus only a few seemed to have corrected me, but there is possibly no werewolf homeworld. I do believe that werewolves are Human cursed by Zamorak (like the choas dwarves) Which is why, in their lore a lot of their race worship Zamorak and cannot resist his embrace. I coud be wrong until stated by Jagex.

Being cursed humans does not preclude a werewolf homeworld. All it means is that it would be the plane where the curse originated since we know that humans colonized many planes in the universe (via Saradomin and the Schism).

As such, you can easily have a werewolf death provided that either the curse originated before the first sapient being dies on the plane or a bearer of the curse came from one plane and was the first sapient being to die on another plane.

Quael said :
3. Yes werewolves do have rapid healing, but, like all healing factors, it seems limited. Jerrod lost his claw, has scars, and i think missing an eye? So This sickness is eating his flesh, but the rapid healing heals faster than it can eat. So if he turns into a human, the flesh would win. (Like deadpool and his cancer)

My point was that werewolves in other media have incredible healing factors. As far as I am aware, werewolves in Runescape do not possess such healing ability. At best, one could argue that their wolf form is hardier than a human (being stronger and having more hit points than their human form), but nothing that would suggest being able to stave off as bad an illness as Pestilence appears to possess.

Quael said :
4. I do like the possibility that at least War, and Famine to maybe be reapers. But again, nothing comfirms this theory, but I will admit only Pestilence does. The Theory does seem interesting, but I do doubt that they are entirely reapers

It is a pretty interesting theory.

29-Oct-2018 22:24:26

Jun

2010

Half Centaur

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On the note of Pestilence- there's still the fact Death said he took someone before their time. If a normal sickly werewolf ate somebody offhandedly- It probably would be said meal's "time". But not so for Pestilence- I believe this is because Pestilence is a reaper he has the ability to affect when someone is reaped- prematurely or otherwise, which is what angered Death.

Death is unique in being a reaper and a Guardian of Guthix- which is what would make him coworkers with the other riders.

Just thought riders may be a term that just refers to the occupation of psychopomps in Runescape- being able to rider between worlds, or having the occupation of "riding" souls to the afterlife like ferryman.

Hguoh said :
It is a pretty interesting theory.

Thank you.

I'm protective of it since it seems to me like the best explanation of them being important while not being embodiments of some ethereal concept- because there seems to be more holes in the latter theory. Is there a War for each plane? and- Why is War retired when there are active warsites in canon? come to mind.

On Fear in OSRS-

I like the idea but tmk there's less evidence to support it given the lack of involvement of other riders, and you can scare it away with a clown outfit, which isn't really suited for a demonic reaper. "We call it being a hero"

"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

29-Oct-2018 23:04:26 - Last edited on 29-Oct-2018 23:05:55 by Half Centaur

A Mighty

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Gamez X said :
Another possibility is looking at who he would be the reaper of. I've long theorised that the werewolf homeworld is infact that same world of singing felines armadyl speaks about (which recent lore books hint to be the karamjan god homeworld) and that the wolves and the felines might be related clans (what with both being very similar anthro furries). But according to armadyl in the 3rd age, this world's sun was dying which means it and this world most likely are gone at this point. So we must ask, what happens to the reaper of a world when that world is no more? Perhaps when their job is complete and they're no longer needed, they loose their reaper status and become mortal once more. And so pestilence (whose undying body was cultivating an ungodly concoction of diseases) suddenly became very vulnerable to his problem, meaning he could well die now

War's status as being "retired" seems to contradict this theory. I like the theory that War is a reaper from a world where everyone is now dead, but he doesn't seem to be mortal....

To those cursed by war and pest, Come into the light of Armadyl and rest. This is the law of Armadyl.

29-Oct-2018 23:07:15

Sep

2014

Gamez X

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In the case of war, retired or not it certainly does seem he still has his reaper status as he doesnt seem to be a simple mortal. That said however if he is indeed the reaper from the giants homeworld, it is extremely likely that world is still active as jagex once polled if the player should explore there sometime. So the question is what exactly does retired mean. It could be that he simply doesnt do his job anymore of escorting the souls over the river numenon, perhaps leaving them to make their own way after death. Or perhaps much like how death has an apprentice in training in frank, maybe war has a replacement in training aswell that he might be thinking of passing the title onto one day

29-Oct-2018 23:37:47

Dec

2023

Cthris

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Half Centaur said :
On the note of Pestilence- there's still the fact Death said he took someone before their time. If a normal sickly werewolf ate somebody offhandedly- It probably would be said meal's "time". But not so for Pestilence- I believe this is because Pestilence is a reaper he has the ability to affect when someone is reaped- prematurely or otherwise, which is what angered Death.

A much simpler explanation is that Pestilence has lived past his respective time allotted for life --something we know people can do because of Nomad. If Pestilence is living past his respective time and he kills someone else that Death has not marked for death then that person should not have died. Thus, the victim was taken before their time.

Personally, I think the Horseman are like the hitmen of Death. Similar to how Death recruits the World Guardian to kill certain bosses, in order to keep the anima balanced, he recruits the riders to kill off certain populations once their time has come or are seriously messing with the anima.

30-Oct-2018 04:05:06

Jun

2010

Half Centaur

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Cthris said :
Half Centaur said :
On the note of Pestilence- there's still the fact Death said he took someone before their time. If a normal sickly werewolf ate somebody offhandedly- It probably would be said meal's "time". But not so for Pestilence- I believe this is because Pestilence is a reaper he has the ability to affect when someone is reaped- prematurely or otherwise, which is what angered Death.

A much simpler explanation is that Pestilence has lived past his respective time allotted for life --something we know people can do because of Nomad.

Not really. Unless he was devouring souls- which is why Death was upset with Nomad.

And I can't imagine Pestilence doing something like that and Death still associating with him. "We call it being a hero"

"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

31-Oct-2018 14:30:49

Dec

2023

Cthris

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Half Centaur said :
Cthris said :
Half Centaur said :
On the note of Pestilence- there's still the fact Death said he took someone before their time. If a normal sickly werewolf ate somebody offhandedly- It probably would be said meal's "time". But not so for Pestilence- I believe this is because Pestilence is a reaper he has the ability to affect when someone is reaped- prematurely or otherwise, which is what angered Death.

A much simpler explanation is that Pestilence has lived past his respective time allotted for life --something we know people can do because of Nomad.

Not really. Unless he was devouring souls- which is why Death was upset with Nomad.

And I can't imagine Pestilence doing something like that and Death still associating with him.
He did stop associating with him. Besides, it makes more sense if the soul was devoured or damaged in some way. If it wasn't why wasn't the soul simply revived like the player has been multiple times or the King Black Dragon.

31-Oct-2018 18:53:22

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