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Cthris
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Raleirosen said :
How/when did Death, a Guardian of Guthix, have an opportunity to be "coworkers" with War?
I was perplexed by this problem too. The only solution I came to is that Guthix had need of War while Guthix was trying to end the God Wars. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the horse(wo)men were initiated around this time. It's rather curious that we got a giant (Bandos), aviancy (Armadyl), and a werewolf (Zamorak) as the rest of the Kabal--telling actually; it would only be at the end of the God Wars that Guthix would even encounter these species--this must have been when they were created.

17-Oct-2018 03:17:22

Gamez X
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If we go by the idea these riders are infact the reapers of each different world then the question of how/why death is co-workers with war is simple, its cus they do infact have the same job. Guthix informed death of his job to take souls to the river numenon but that doesnt mean he created the idea of the reaper, there was plenty of death going around before guthix even became a god (his whole planet for one)

Its likely guthix simply knew about this role and so when harold died and became death, guthix went to him to instruct him and make him an ally. With this guthix is indeed a co-worker of the other riders/reapers cus they all have the same job (even if it seems some dont do their job). But it doesnt mean that all the riders are guardians of guthix, just death so far

17-Oct-2018 03:35:12

Quael
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Maybe their interaction was before Guthix awakening, we should remember that Death was apointed as the Grim Reaper not by Guthix, but by the world it self, as he was the first mortal to die on Gielinor. It was stated countless times by Jmods that the first mortal to die on a plane without death would be death.

So these other horsemen are either people death collected to aid him in what ever means there is. Or were collected during (or after) Guthix appointed him as a guardian and bestowed him with the limit on his power (which is not being able to reap who ever he wants, or prevent a persons' death.)

Over all I doubt these are random reapers, but it would interesting if they were. And would explain why death needs them (again his limits)
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A Mighty

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So, Famine was introduced this week, and she mentions poisoning her village's food supply, and killing them all. This would contradict this theory, since we know a reaper is the first person to die on a particular plane. But if she isn't a reaper, why would someone like her be around as long as has been hinted at? Death, as we know, is essentially immortal, and he mentions the Riders going "way back"...
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25-Oct-2018 01:44:27

Half Centaur
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A Mighty said :
So, Famine was introduced this week, and she mentions poisoning her village's food supply, and killing them all. This would contradict this theory, since we know a reaper is the first person to die on a particular plane. But if she isn't a reaper, why would someone like her be around as long as has been hinted at? Death, as we know, is essentially immortal, and he mentions the Riders going "way back"...

Yeah, Famine's backstory in a way flies in the face of this theory, however I do think it's possible- we just have to assume that the rules for reapers are more lax on worlds where Guthix hasn't recruited the reaper.

Like, can reapers retire? What rules must they follow? Death gets into fights, are there limits on how much he can do with mortals?

It's possible being a new reaper on Abbinah gave Famine the ability to cut some of her people's time short in a way, and without any Guthixian blessing to keep her in place she essentially got away with it, or with fewer consequences.

I'm really hoping this is part of the lore of the game and doesn't get just ignored. It'd be a waste of assets really not to integrate them more into the game, and the same could be done for the land of seasons, though they could also use an update. "We call it being a hero"
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25-Oct-2018 01:57:33

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A Mighty said :
So, Famine was introduced this week, and she mentions poisoning her village's food supply, and killing them all. This would contradict this theory, since we know a reaper is the first person to die on a particular plane. But if she isn't a reaper, why would someone like her be around as long as has been hinted at? Death, as we know, is essentially immortal, and he mentions the Riders going "way back"...

Famine claims that she was too weak to fly or hunt after being cast out causing her to starve until she was on the brink of death.

She claims that it was only her desire for revenge that kept her going. I propose that she did die, and became Abbinah's death. Only afterwards did she then go on to poison the food supply and kill her village.

My supporting evidence is that she didn't take any of the food for herself afterwards (so she'd still be starved) and had just executed the revenge that she claims had kept her going (yet she is still around).

Half Centaur said :
Like, can reapers retire?

If every sentient life on their plane is dead, there's no real need for a death anymore until and unless sentient life arises once more (personally, I think War is a Reaper from one of the planes Bandos decimated).

25-Oct-2018 13:12:04

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Yeah i still like to believe these are indeed the other reapers so it would be reasonable to say that famine did indeed die after being cast out. But cus she then became the reaper of abbinah she just kinda "stuck around" so she didnt see recognise she died

In another point that came to mind, what happens when a reaper is killed? Like in missing presumed death didnt sliske threaten to legit kill death and icthlarin seemed to accept it as something that could actually happen? In the rare case that a reaper is killed would it be likely to assume the next person to die after that point would be the new reaper of that world?

25-Oct-2018 18:49:14

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Half Centaur said :
Both Pestilence and Famine are nonhuman. They're a werewolf and Aviansie respectively. So- what if these riders are not riders at all, but reapers?
You're overthinking things just a little.

Since none of the four actually "ride" anything (and explicitly, Jagex have since retconned any use of the term "Horsemen" since that would imply that horses exist in RuneScape) it's a pretty safe bet that "Riders" is just the name of their clan (which is why Frank exists - they needed five members to start the clan).

This brings up some interesting issues of it's own however.

Death, War, Famine and Pestilence have clearly been associated for many thousands of years. They all have specific jobs to do, albeit we only see Death regularly because his is the only job which commonly relevant to us. Pestilence, war and famine also occur, and their respective Riders will each have roles tied to adjudicating and balancing those. We see Death because from time to time we're killed prematurely, before we're supposed to be, and Death's intervention is needed.

But what were the group known as prior to the Riders? And why did they, within the last few decades, decide to suddenly form a clan?

We know the Riders clan can't be old, because Frank was brought in as the fifth required member to START the clan. He's definately human, and mortal, thus the clan must have been started during his lifetime and not prior.

If the clan was formed in the Second Age, with a different human precursor to Frank as the fifth member, the clan would have already existed and there wouldn't have been the need to recruit Frank to START the clan (though he may have been taken on as a clan member in any case). The clan could have potentially carried on existing with just four members after the fifth died.

Logically, that probably was the case, but that would suggest there was a rift among the clan somewhere along the line and they went their seperate ways.

27-Oct-2018 23:30:23

Quael
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I doubt THEY are all reaper, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't werewolves not a race from another plane, but simply just humans cursed into being one? If so this explains Famine only being alive in his werewolf transformation. Remember it was stated that Pestilence was sick and his werewolf form keeps the sickness from killing him.
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28-Oct-2018 01:49:49 - Last edited on 29-Oct-2018 05:31:14 by Quael

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