RuneScape Forum Archive | EGWD: Where were the Godless?

Dec

2020

Any-sao

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A few questions:

Will we ever know why the Godless weren’t represented in the EGWD? Every other of the original Emissary factions were present at the Elder God Wars. Even the Bandosians and Sliskeans (the latter represented by Gregorovic).

It was great to see Garlandia in Twilight of the Gods. She was also part of Seren’s councilC so she should have known of the battle in Senntisten.

But where was everyone else? Kara-Meir, Vorago, Biehn? Not a single member of the Godless visibly joined the fight to defend the Elder Eggs.

I can only speculate two answers: the first is that the Godless were doing something else. If that’s the case, will we ever learn what they were up to?

The other answer: that the Godless were present, in the form of the Crux Eqal Knights. An army of ex-Guthixians does certainly sound like the Godless- but we never heard confirmation that they were a shared/allied organization.

Some clarity would be appreciated. I’m not great at this game, but I do love quests.

24-Jun-2022 22:40:53

Aug

2023

William Witt

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I believe the answer to this puzzle to lie in an obscure piece of lore from An Enlightened Journey .

Bob:
Destroy the floating thing!

Player:
Well, that went down like a lead balloon.

Player:
Those peasants... where did they come from?

Auguste:
Ahh, the flash mob phenomenon. Many have hypothesized that they are beings of great power sent to smite those who question the gods.

Player:
And this isn't worrying because...?

Auguste:
Don't worry! I know exactly what I'm doing. Those experiments went extraordinarily well.

Player:
Was I the ONLY one who saw them burning? BURNING???

Auguste:
Yes, very well indeed. Now we will start building the balloon that will carry us off the island. This task will be much greater than the last two. I hope you are prepared for it.

Player:
This is madness.

No doubt the demon flash mobs that spawn ingame, affiliated with either Zamorak or the Empty Lord, are part of this same phenomenon. Now the Godless made the terrible mistake of questioning every god simultaneously, and making this their identity for the past 9 years.

I can only surmise that this ended poorly for them, and over the past 9 years, every last member of the Godless - save Garlandia - was slain by flash mobs. She is the last survivor, and the moment she left Falador after speaking her mind to Saradomin, I have little doubt her openly hostile questioning led her to be similarly set upon by these "beings of great power". The question is, is a crippled Icyene a match for these flash mobs? Is that the secret of how she has outlived the rest of her faction?

Or does her sanctified blood now stain the crossroads north of the city, a boon to any lycanthrope or vampire who might drink of its power? It is fitting, for the gods will soon be leaving us, that the Godless do not live to see their final victory. Gielinor no longer has need of them.

The Asgarnian ale must flow.

25-Jun-2022 03:53:09

Aug

2021

Webmaster453

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I don't know why Vorago wasn't there and I have several ideas on maybe why.

Jagex forgot about him. His goal is to protect the planet and similarly he wasn't at Zamorak v. Saradomin or Bandos v. Armadyl battles.

Vorago wouldn't help and he might get in the way if he was. Vorago says he doesn't want the stone of jas which was made from an elder god egg and he gets mad at Armadyl for the anima weapon he used to kill Bandos so it's possible he wouldn't help siphon anima or worse he'd try killing some of the gods.

Vorago might be an elder god servant. He does hint at having amnesia and maybe protecting the planet wasn't actually his purpose as he claims he feels the purpose fading.

I know for sure he's not a loyal member of the godless and only really cares when gods threaten the planet. As for the other godless that we know about they couldn't really do much. Going by Tuska lore more adventurers than the other factions are on the godless side so they should be an extremely powerful force with anything a player could have. They could have maybe made a group of player spoofs in competent modern gear representing the godless.

26-Jun-2022 07:25:26

Dec

2020

Any-sao

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Webmaster453 said :
I don't know why Vorago wasn't there and I have several ideas on maybe why.

Jagex forgot about him. His goal is to protect the planet and similarly he wasn't at Zamorak v. Saradomin or Bandos v. Armadyl battles.

Vorago wouldn't help and he might get in the way if he was. Vorago says he doesn't want the stone of jas which was made from an elder god egg and he gets mad at Armadyl for the anima weapon he used to kill Bandos so it's possible he wouldn't help siphon anima or worse he'd try killing some of the gods.

Vorago might be an elder god servant. He does hint at having amnesia and maybe protecting the planet wasn't actually his purpose as he claims he feels the purpose fading.

I know for sure he's not a loyal member of the godless and only really cares when gods threaten the planet. As for the other godless that we know about they couldn't really do much. Going by Tuska lore more adventurers than the other factions are on the godless side so they should be an extremely powerful force with anything a player could have. They could have maybe made a group of player spoofs in competent modern gear representing the godless.

These are all good points. Here’s what I’ve been thinking:

1: I hate to say it, but it does feel like Jagex just forgot about Vorago.
2; I don’t think Vorago would kill the other gods. He couldn’t siphon eggs, but he could defend them. He worked with the gods at Tuska- why not do so again?
3:I was also thinking he may serve the Elders- he defends anima, which is Elder food. In fact, I expected him as the Bik Front (much happier with Croesus, however).
4: Player spoofs is such a good idea that it makes me mad that it wasn’t pursued. But even then, that wasn’t the only option: we had the Scopuli, Kara-Meir, or WE2’s Ambushers who could have taken a side.

That being said, we did have Ariane at the Glacor Front. I suppose that’s some representation. I’m not great at this game, but I do love quests.

26-Jun-2022 16:02:27

Aug

2023

William Witt

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Alternative: The Godless were busy camped out at the world window on Tuska's back, to watch and make sure the gods didn't invade it. As a result, being out in the middle of nowhere in the southern desert, they didn't realize the EGWD was going on. By the time they found out, it was already over.

The Asgarnian ale must flow.

29-Jun-2022 13:00:17

Dec

2020

Any-sao

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William Witt said :
Alternative: The Godless were busy camped out at the world window on Tuska's back, to watch and make sure the gods didn't invade it. As a result, being out in the middle of nowhere in the southern desert, they didn't realize the EGWD was going on. By the time they found out, it was already over.

Doesn't make sense. Garlandia was at Seren's council. I’m not great at this game, but I do love quests.

01-Jul-2022 05:54:27

Aug

2023

William Witt

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Any-sao said :
William Witt said :
Alternative: The Godless were busy camped out at the world window on Tuska's back, to watch and make sure the gods didn't invade it. As a result, being out in the middle of nowhere in the southern desert, they didn't realize the EGWD was going on. By the time they found out, it was already over.

Doesn't make sense. Garlandia was at Seren's council.

Exactly, she was so occupied with the council that she couldn't get word back to the other Godless on Tuska's back.

The Asgarnian ale must flow.

02-Jul-2022 09:46:48

Mixed Slush

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Any-sao said :
A few questions:

Will we ever know why the Godless weren’t represented in the EGWD? Every other of the original Emissary factions were present at the Elder God Wars. Even the Bandosians and Sliskeans (the latter represented by Gregorovic).

It was great to see Garlandia in Twilight of the Gods. She was also part of Seren’s councilC so she should have known of the battle in Senntisten.

But where was everyone else? Kara-Meir, Vorago, Biehn? Not a single member of the Godless visibly joined the fight to defend the Elder Eggs.

I can only speculate two answers: the first is that the Godless were doing something else. If that’s the case, will we ever learn what they were up to?

The other answer: that the Godless were present, in the form of the Crux Eqal Knights. An army of ex-Guthixians does certainly sound like the Godless- but we never heard confirmation that they were a shared/allied organization.

Some clarity would be appreciated.

Saradomin killed Kara Meir. Stabbed her in the back. She's dead.

01-Sep-2023 21:44:00

Sep

2010

Lord Drakan

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William Witt said :
I believe the answer to this puzzle to lie in an obscure piece of lore from An Enlightened Journey .

Bob:
Destroy the floating thing!

Player:
Well, that went down like a lead balloon.

Player:
Those peasants... where did they come from?

Auguste:
Ahh, the flash mob phenomenon. Many have hypothesized that they are beings of great power sent to smite those who question the gods.

Player:
And this isn't worrying because...?

Auguste:
Don't worry! I know exactly what I'm doing. Those experiments went extraordinarily well.

Player:
Was I the ONLY one who saw them burning? BURNING???

Auguste:
Yes, very well indeed. Now we will start building the balloon that will carry us off the island. This task will be much greater than the last two. I hope you are prepared for it.

Player:
This is madness.

No doubt the demon flash mobs that spawn ingame, affiliated with either Zamorak or the Empty Lord, are part of this same phenomenon. Now the Godless made the terrible mistake of questioning every god simultaneously, and making this their identity for the past 9 years.

I can only surmise that this ended poorly for them, and over the past 9 years, every last member of the Godless - save Garlandia - was slain by flash mobs. She is the last survivor, and the moment she left Falador after speaking her mind to Saradomin, I have little doubt her openly hostile questioning led her to be similarly set upon by these "beings of great power".
Teeheehoo, this is amusing. That said, I would surmise that the Godless ... ARE such a flash mob. Surely, these flash mobs aiming to smite those Icaruses who defy the gods do not materialise from thin air. Being inspired by these brave men-at-arms, the Godless organised themselves in such a manner but realised they would not stand a chance against the armies of the Elder Gods.

On a more serious note, they could have made some appearance in Senntisten, I agree. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

Perhaps you're half right; perhaps we can't win. But we can fight.

— Zanik

02-Sep-2023 11:55:43

Sep

2010

Lord Drakan

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Kara-Meir in particular, as well as other heroes (think slayer masters and other combat experts like Ajjat, Achietties and Harrallak à la WGS) could well have made cameos there. Kara has been idling away her time on Tuska's corpse awhile now. Vorago is probably simply too impractical to make an appearance, I reckon.

The same can be said of other people who might logically be expected to turn up. The Void Knights were absent, possibly being too busy repelling the void pests. (Their descendants the Abyssal Knights were there, though.) The Temple Knights that had not become Zarosian were not there and neither was, say, Lord Marshal Brogan, a renowned tactician who would surely have contributed greatly. Thaerisk was there regardless of his fate in TWW, though, so there is that. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

Perhaps you're half right; perhaps we can't win. But we can fight.

— Zanik

02-Sep-2023 11:59:24

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