RuneScape Forum Archive | Guthix on Zaros?

Jan

2018

Quael

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Hguoh said :
Also, here's a bit of Dialogue from The Mighty Fall:

Player: How are you able to travel to Yu'biusk so easily?
Zarador: Bandos opened a permanent portal . It lies at the seat of his tower.

Not essence. On world window, anima, I just proved it. And Bandos opened it himself. Not his essence at the seat of his tower was the weapon that was charged with divine energy but not fired...... SO yeah, if you still wanna say his essence, fine, but the portal window isn't Tuska's essence, it's the anima as I provided you the proof.

If you still disagree, ll we can agree to disagree. We have different views.

If Seren was to die, MAYBE she'd damage the world also. But Guthix was heavily connected to the anima longer than her, which is why the world is damaged. Remember he was alive and connected, feeling whatever the anima feels. Seren was shattered and her mind as well. Guthix has stated that if a god was on the plane for a long time, and connected to the anima with that same length, divination can be possible also. Guthix death caused divination because of his heavy connection to the anima, which made him a very powerful god. Even more than Seren. (of course this was the help of the elder artifacts also)

Also being in the same tier does not mean they would have the same level of power. If that was true, Guthix who was still in tier two would have entered Gielinor when he had no body.

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27-Feb-2018 18:15:25 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2018 18:23:27 by Quael

Hguoh

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Quael said :
Also Hguoh, It was stated in VIP Q&A 2017 that Tuska looks alive because of the anima mundi she has in her that is powering the portal and leaking into Gielinor, not her godly essence. Tuska had devoured a lot of Anima that it is pretty much acts as if she was a world herself.

"I recall reading an old statement about Tuska still having anima that she absorbed from other worlds in her, which is why after she was killed, she didn't turn to stone. Is this correct? Also, is the anima that she absorbed now part of Gielinor?

Mod Chaose: This is indeed what we have said in the past. The vast anima resource in Tuska's body is slowly leaking out into Gielinor, but probably won't be expended within the player's lifetime."

Recall how V died. The Dragonkin pulled on his stone of Jas power and ended up yanking out all divine power he had. The pool of power a god develops over their life may come from many sources, but it mixes into a single indistinguishable mess (which makes sense, as we'd otherwise expect to see the different power sources tapped leading to distinctly different available uses instead of the tiers system we have).

Tuska having taken in so much anima gives her a larger volume to leak out over time, but it is her power fueling the world window and, like the other examples, persisting beyond her death which was the main point.

27-Feb-2018 18:24:32

Hguoh

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Quael said :
If Seren was to die, MAYBE she'd damage the world also. But Guthix was heavily connected to the anima longer than her, which is why the world is damaged. Remember he was alive and connected, feeling whatever the anima feels. Seren was shattered and her mind as well. Guthix has stated that if a god was on the plane for a long time, and connected to the anima with that same length, divination can be possible also. Guthix death caused divination because of his heavy connection to the anima, which made him a very powerful god. Even more than Seren. (of course this was the help of the elder artifacts also)

Also being in the same tier does not mean they would have the same level of power. If that was true, Guthix who was still in tier two would have entered Gielinor when he had no body.

Seren did damage the world and Anima when she blew up. There is a Divination Crater in Prifddinas that has no sign of Guthix's influence, but a whole lot of Seren's. She also left a freaking massive crater that Prifddinas sits in today.

Quael said :
Also being in the same tier does not mean they would have the same level of power. If that was true, Guthix who was still in tier two would have entered Gielinor when he had no body.

What? Guthix had a body before he ever reached Gielinor, so I'm assuming you are referring to Guthix dying and not abandoning his body, but that was his choice (he could have jumped ship, but elected not to).
There's nothing stating t2 gods can't bodily enter Gielinor, as Zaros did just that.

27-Feb-2018 18:27:42 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2018 18:31:43 by Hguoh

Jan

2018

Quael

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But back to the topic, Guthix would not trust Zaros 100%. He'd probably attempt to banish the god from Gielinor to prevent him from causing any damage. He'd probably attempt to do Zaros' idea and speak to the elder gods, it might have succeeded since Jas had woken up to witness us around Gielinor. Would they have talked? Well, Guthix was the most powerful of the known gods, and Jas would have probably be interested in speaking with the one heavily connected to the anima. Would Guthix have convinced her and the others to let mortal life remain? Who knows.

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27-Feb-2018 18:31:28

Jan

2018

Quael

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Hguoh said :
Quael said :

Quael said :
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Zaros, not guthix. my bad,

Again, it is Not Tuska's energy powering the portal window, it is the anima in her. If V had died normally, his essence wouldn't have effect of gielinor, But I am not going to continue a debate with the someone who will just repeat the same statement with more word added to it. Next Q&A we will ask Jagex, and hopefully they respond.

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27-Feb-2018 18:33:16 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2018 18:41:07 by Quael

Hguoh

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Quael said :
And Bandos opened it himself. Not his essence at the seat of his tower was the weapon that was charged with divine energy but not fired......

Yes, but interplanar portals take energy and upkeep unless they are made with the Elder Blade or are the Rift/Schism. This is a known fact of the Runescape Universe. And I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing Bandos's tower anymore. It was destroyed, and any charge it held was scattered. On the other hand, we know that the Mods intended it to be the case that Armadyl refused to absorb Bandos's divine power, so it is still there.

Quael said :
Zaros, not guthix. mybad

But why would he do that? None of the gods on Gielinor liked him, so they either wouldn't aid him or would finish him off. Anima, while plentiful on Gielinor, was not the kind of energy that would refuel him (that lay on Freneskae, where he did go).

27-Feb-2018 18:40:13

Jan

2018

Quael

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Hguoh said :
Quael said :
And Bandos opened it himself. Not his essence at the seat of his tower was the weapon that was charged with divine energy but not fired......

Yes, but interplanar portals take energy and upkeep unless they are made with the Elder Blade or are the Rift/Schism. This is a known fact of the Runescape Universe. And I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing Bandos's tower anymore. It was destroyed, and any charge it held was scattered. On the other hand, we know that the Mods intended it to be the case that Armadyl refused to absorb Bandos's divine power, so it is still there.

Quael said :
Zaros, not guthix. mybad

But why would he do that? None of the gods on Gielinor liked him, so they either wouldn't aid him or would finish him off. Anima, while plentiful on Gielinor, was not the kind of energy that would refuel him (that lay on Freneskae, where he did go). I edited my old post, take a look. Also all of the Gods thought he was dead, Zaros couldn't ender Gielinor because the barrier also affected him, which is why he had his followers try to talk to Guthix. None of the Gods knew he was alive, he could have entered Gielinor and spoke with him. He would have done it because all the gods thought he was dead, and the barrier kept them from killing him. But he was affected.

Also Portals can be opened without the use of what you just mentioned. And you took my word to literal? (or not enough) Bandos tower, that held divine energy opened it it was on his seat, so unless bandos had plan to retreat to the portal and it was on his seat this entire time, or we just dont know.. But as I stated, repeated things with more word added won't end a debate in one's favour, we will have to wait for another Q&A.

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27-Feb-2018 18:44:13 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2018 18:47:50 by Quael

Hguoh

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Quael said :
Again, it is Not Tuska's energy powering the portal window, it is the anima in her. If V had died normally, his essence wouldn't have effect of gielinor,

And again, if it were the case that power taken in by a god were partitioned and didn't mix together, we'd have expected the Dragonkin pulling out V's stone power to only tug out the stone power and not all his Divine power. We'd also expect different sources of divine power (direct creation by elder god magic, exposure to elder artifacts, or another god's power imbued upon the creation of an avatar or taken upon their death) to lead to the development of different abilities due to differences in the nature of these energies and them not mixing. Instead, we see the tier system, where abilities are dictated by quantity of power and, for the uppermost 2 tiers, knowledge of how to use it.

But congratulations on making an unfounded statement about what would have happened if V had died normally. Heck, I wouldn't expect a big reaction (he wasn't a particularly strong god), but, given the god deaths/almost deaths we are aware of, I'd expect something.

27-Feb-2018 19:00:13

Hguoh

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Quael said :
I edited my old post, take a look. Also all of the Gods thought he was dead, Zaros couldn't ender Gielinor because the barrier also affected him, which is why he had his followers try to talk to Guthix. None of the Gods knew he was alive, he could have entered Gielinor and spoke with him. He would have done it because all the gods thought he was dead, and the barrier kept them from killing him. But he was affected.

Oh yes, it affected him so well that he could use his power to cause effects on Gielinor when no other god could. God-power nullifying magic works so well on him that he was able to completely ignore it during Sliske's Endgame despite Sliske doing it with Jas's guidance. It works so well on other t2 gods that Seren was able to save us from falling to our death at the Freneskae lava falls.

Forgive me if I think that Zaros was more likely trying to avoid presenting what would basically be a declaration of war with another t2 god while Zaros himself was at his most vulnerable (can't abandon a body if you don't have one) and was weakened. And while I'm no fan of Sliske's, I'm not fool enough to think Zaros wouldn't have ordered his followers to kill Guthix when negotiations would've gone south.

Quael said :
Also Portals can be opened without the use of what you just mentioned. And you took my word to literal? (or not enough) Bandos tower, that held divine energy opened it it was on his seat, so unless bandos had plan to retreat to the portal and it was on his seat this entire time, or we just dont know.. But as I stated, repeated things with more word added won't end a debate in one's favour, we will have to wait for another Q&A.

Zarador, Bandos's right hand man, is the one who tells us that Bandos originally opened the portal. It wasn't the tower. And, clearly, the tower can't be powering it any more.

27-Feb-2018 19:06:23 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2018 19:08:04 by Hguoh

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2018

Quael

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Bandos was a tier 3 god, and was still able to give dreams to goblins, revive Zanik, and form an tier 7 avatar on Gielinor all while not in Gielinor. Zaros wasn't the only one who was able to influence Gielinor with power. Over all he was affected, the World wake proved it, and the Q&A after that quest did also. If you believe he was trying to hide his presence, remember he was thought long dead, his followers and even his own sister. He was affected. The Edict acted as a barrier to prevent them from entering Gielinor. Zaros had a communication device/portal with Azzandra, that is a small loophole that allowed him to do whatever he did. But Zaros wasn't the only god that could influence gielinor behind the Edict. Bandos was one. Zamorak was another.

On SE, I am 100% sure it is because Sliske was too cocky he didn't see how his plan was flawed, even a Dragonkin was able to bypass the teleportation. BEfore you point out elder artifact, Saradomin has the crown. As for Seren saving us, remember she said it was very difficult to do so, we have no clue how she did so, she could have levitated a rock under us, or used so much power that it could kill a normal mortal. Like Death of Chivalry, Saradomin said, We aren't far from the reach of the gods.

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27-Feb-2018 19:57:44 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2018 19:58:59 by Quael

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