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Suehtam
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MystLunaris said :

Again though, Hallow is a world made mostly of water how would they get around the planet and how would they pose any threat once Saradomin had created New Domina?


I think it's possible that some of these islands could have underground connections through tunnels, and I also forgot to mention that they ceased to be a threat after Saradomin founded New Domina, sorry about that.
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Well, nearly a year ago, I asked Mod Stu about that other race, curious about any good people among them:

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@JagexStu Were there any good people among the opposing group of the Icyene on their home world? And if so, what happened to them?

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Some are calling it genocide. It was more like eradicating a plague, or extermination of a lethal swarm. It was kill or be killed."

Mod Stu made it sound more like *cough* Pest Control *cough* than anything else. Maybe they were a non-sapient species.

05-Dec-2017 02:13:42

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Suehtam said :
I think it's possible that some of these islands could have underground connections through tunnels


I'd thought about that earlier myself, but it wouldn't make that much sense, with such a limited level of travel any race using underground tunnels wouldn't really be able to be any kind of threat to the Icyene. They'd only be able to go to a few islands at a time, meaning the Icyene could just avoid those islands and never have to deal with them. They'd also likely be a very small population as they wouldn't really have access to much food, although this food shortage may lead to desperation in trying to attack the Icyene it'd also make them far too weak to pose a threat to the Icyene.
Lastly, if they rely on a series of underground tunnels, the tunnels can just be filled on or flooded something that may happen naturally during high tides, this would again kill off even more of their population and also be a very easy way of wiping them out in a fight.
Not to mention any race in such a desperate postition as that would probably be very easy to reason with and create a peaceful agreement with that would benefit both races.

Suehtam said :

and I also forgot to mention that they ceased to be a threat after Saradomin founded New Domina, sorry about that.

Well, we know that whatever race the Icyene were fighting against were still a threat after Saradomin founded New Domina. So whatever race they were fighting against must've had some flight capabilities or some high powered weaponry capable of shooting the whole city out of the sky.
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05-Dec-2017 08:59:49 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2017 10:28:08 by MystLunaris

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Mewzard said :
Well, nearly a year ago, I asked Mod Stu about that other race, curious about any good people among them:

"Mewzard
Jan 22

@JagexStu Were there any good people among the opposing group of the Icyene on their home world? And if so, what happened to them?

Mod Stu‏ @JagexStu
Jan 23

Some are calling it genocide. It was more like eradicating a plague, or extermination of a lethal swarm. It was kill or be killed."

Mod Stu made it sound more like *cough* Pest Control *cough* than anything else. Maybe they were a non-sapient species.


Unlikely. Saradomin specifically references the continued existence of "non-sapient species" but when talking about sapient races on that world the implication is "not any more".

Given that this species and the Icyene both existed long before Saradomin arrived it has to be assumed that their extinction was either not necessary or only became necessary because of something that occurred because of Saradomin's arrival.
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05-Dec-2017 19:42:17

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Lord Pyro I said :
Given that this species and the Icyene both existed long before Saradomin arrived it has to be assumed that their extinction was either not necessary or only became necessary because of something that occurred because of Saradomin's arrival.


I don't think it was ever explicitly stated that both races existed on Hallow long before Saradomin arrived, but if you do have a source that shows otherwise that'd be useful.
I do like the idea though that Saradomin may have had a similar interaction with them as he had with the Naragi. E.g. he appears in front of them and ask them to worship him, then he gets annoyed and attacks them again, then maybe they have an Elder artifact or something and get close to killing him with it so he runs off to the Icyene and gets them to fight for him by convincing them that the other race wants to wipe them out.

I don't think that's actually what happened though as that goes against a lot of how I think the mods have been trying to write Saradomin, however, it would be interesting if that is what happened.
At the very least I'm just going to assume there's some other Dimension of Disaster where that did happen.
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05-Dec-2017 20:14:06

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MystLunaris said :
I don't think it was ever explicitly stated that both races existed on Hallow long before Saradomin arrived, but if you do have a source that shows otherwise that'd be useful.


I don't believe it is ever stated that the races both existed on New Domina prior to Saradomin's arrival. And, truth be told, it wouldn't make sense for them to be an existential threat to the Icyene if this were the case as it would indicate the ability to coexist (though likely not peacefully) in some degree of equilibrium up until his arrival.

It makes far more sense for the race to have arisen after Saradomin arrived, but that then begs the question as to how they came to exist:

Perhaps Saradomin tired to provide a blessing to one species/group and something went wrong (Zamorak and the chaos dwarves).
Perhaps Saradomin originally brought them to the world only for them to later turn on him (Icthlarin and the Mahjarrat).
Perhaps some race/group of Icyene sought to better meet Saradomin's needs for the war effort in the Gielinorian God Wars and unintentionally twisted themselves into something abhorrent (Seren and the Iowerth).
Perhaps some other god dumped the race on the plane.

06-Dec-2017 14:59:05 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2017 14:59:50 by Hguoh

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MystLunaris said :
Suehtam said :
I have two hypotheses:
Lamia/Gorgon
: half human half-snake (similar to Medusa in Greek mythology) would be a natural predator of the Icyene and worship to the night. Although their have reptilian appearance they are warm-blooded creatures and more closely related to birds in the evolutionary scale. They're also an eusocial species, similar to bee or ants. That have adapted to the cold living in some of the Hallowed Isles.


Again though, Hallow is a world made mostly of water how would they get around the planet and how would they pose any threat once Saradomin had created New Domina?


Why not swim? Some gorgons were depicted with a snake's body for a lower half, and sea snakes do exist.

A natural predator wouldn't likely present an existential threat to the Icyene, however. If the Icyene population would dip, there wouldn't be enough food to sustain the predator's population leading to a reduction in their numbers. This, in turn, would reduce the pressure on the Icyene population leading to an upward swing in their population. The increased population of Icyene would then mean an increase of food for the predator causing a rise in their numbers, and the homeostatic oscillation continues. Sometimes there'd be larger swings, and sometimes smaller swings.

The only way they could present such a threat to the Icyene would be if their predator had such a large upward swing in their population that the resulting pressure on the Icyene population would lead to the Icyene's extinction fast enough to outpace the downward swing on the predator population (deer can do this to plant species they graze on when they can't freely migrate elsewhere). Though this still begs the question as to why such a boom happened after Saradomin's arrival (never dismiss something as a coincidence).

06-Dec-2017 15:19:18

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Suehtam said :
Paradox Icyene
: It would be a corrupted version of the normal Icyenes. But how did they become like this? ... and why not any information about them? I don't know. But maybe Saradomin has something to do with it or even taken advantage of the situation to gain the confidence of the remaining Icyene.


I like this better. An artificially caused change in the ecosystem composition much better explains the apparent drastic disruption to its equilibrium.

Not saying Saradomin himself did it or that he intended to do it if he indeed did, but I find such a change to be the more likely situation.

06-Dec-2017 15:23:15

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