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Deux Faces

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This is a general theory on the power the player has accumulated over the course of events in game and where they stand relative to the other powerful beings of Gielinor and the current Revision. It is important to consider the two different definitions of power:

1) Physical strength and force exerted by something or someone.

2) The capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events.

As it is in game, the player is already born with the potential for a great deal of physical and magical power. In game, this is represented by levelling up our combat skills. Once these are maxed out, the most skilled combatants are capable of defeating some of the most powerful beings on Gielinor. I deliberately only include those beasts that have been soloed.

- Araxxor
- Kalphite King
- TzTok Jad
- ROTS Barrow Wights (all at once)

We have even defeated opponents who have a relevant place in lore whose power levels are easily compared to other beings.

- QBD (said to have the magical power of the Dragonkin, despite being hindered by her size)
- Lowerniel Drakan (described as one of the most powerful vampyres to set foot on Gielinor)
- Nomad after touching SOJ (said to be nearing godhood with his power)
- Nex (a Zarosian general feared by the gods themselves)

We have even defeated two Tier 7 Gods, albeit with help from magical artifacts of sorts.

- Bandos Avatar
- Dark Lord

In terms of representing this in the game world, our character is able to dish out some serious damage. Hits of 12K are possible, with certain abilities boosting this cap further to 20K or 30K. Notably, Lucien, during ROTM, would hit 10K when his power levels were nearing godhood. Nomad would hit 9K in Nomad's Elegy. Azzanadra, when infused with the power of Zaros during ROTM, hit roughly 19K damage on Lucien.

23-Feb-2016 05:01:36 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2016 05:32:57 by Deux Faces

Deux Faces

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Even with all of these comparisons however, it must be noted that the player's attack speed is much much higher, making damage output over time significantly higher in our favour. Even Icthlarin, a Tier 6 God, was doing damage around the 10K mark in Nomad's Elegy with a VERY slow attack speed. Granted this probably would have been higher if the creatures he was attacking had more HP.

In MPD, Icthlarin repels the dragonkin fire with a shield, which he admits he cannot hold for long. Yet the magical powers of the QBD are said to be similar to that of the Dragonkin, which we can easily stand against for short periods of time as well. An obvious counter point to this, however, is that the Kin have long been gaining power since the QBD was created. The Kin are very powerful now, but it might still be possible for a non-divine being to kill them. Clearly Sliske has shown to be more powerful then some of them.

All of this goes to show that the power (by definition 1) of the player has climbed to the heights to rival that of the demigods (Tier 6) and perhaps even creeping up on Tier 5.

Now this would not be particularly helpful to stand up to the gods since the majority of them have different forms of godly magic at their disposal. Creating portals, manipulation of mortals, shrinking and growing their size are things that would ultimately lead to our defeat if Guthix had not made us World Guardian. As a result of this power bestowed on us, the player is not just immune to divine magic, but can now stand toe to toe with the weaker gods due to our own accumulation of immense power.

Azzanad*a even remarks on this himself after FOTG:

"But I'm not entirely sure you are human anymore. No, you are something else now."

We know we are not ever capable of becoming a god, but we have transcended all other mortal races in our accumulation of power. We are no longer human, and thus are no longer constrained by the physical and magical limitations of humans.

23-Feb-2016 05:01:48 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2016 05:33:11 by Deux Faces

Deux Faces

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Now to address the other definition of power.

The player is the most important figure in this current Revision. How to back up this claim? Well, first of all, we are central to every development in lore and history that has happened since we began our adventure in the last year of the Fifth Age. More tellingly, however, is that 2 of 3 known transcendent gods have expressed how important we are for things to come.

Guthix was first to see this, and perhaps mostly made it true by making us World Guardian. Zaros sees this, this is the reason he wishes to keep us close and on his side. A being who wants complete control of the universe would want to keep the most important person in the universe close to them. Even Sliske, a being who loves to pull strings and manipulate others from the shadows understands how pivotal we are to the unfolding of events.

In Nomad's Elegy, Nomad claimed that we are the subject of some divine game and that we are being played with. I laughed when I read this, because the obvious reality is that we are playing a video game and the exact opposite is actually true. But, then I realized that this resonates with our character as well. Our character is the one who is shaping how events are unfolding at the end of the day, and they ultimately have influence over almost everything and everyone. This is precisely what the second definition of power is. In this sense, we are the most powerful being in this current revision when it comes to influence.

The conclusion of this is the notion that the player is beginning to achieve power similar to that of the gods. We know we will never be a god, but we are at a point where none of the weaker gods would be able to easily cast us aside. The stronger young gods would not do so either, for fear of how our decisions could impact them. If we continue along this path, we will need to be the one to stand toe to toe with the Elder Gods and demand they show respect to us and all mortals.

Thanks!

23-Feb-2016 05:01:56

Mopedi
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But we required a group of people to defeat Amascut's avatar, a tier what? 8?, and she is a much lower tier than Bandos and Seren, yet we are able to solo their avatars just fine... And also, tbh we had a little help killing the Dark Lord and Bandos. We had to use that special zappy crossbow to actually mitigate his true powers, and as for the Dark Lord, we had to bait him in special laser beams.
Lord of the Cywir clan: All creatures of darkness will face the light of Seren!

23-Feb-2016 09:21:03

Deux Faces

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Mopedi said :
But we required a group of people to defeat Amascut's avatar, a tier what? 8?, and she is a much lower tier than Bandos and Seren, yet we are able to solo their avatars just fine... And also, tbh we had a little help killing the Dark Lord and Bandos. We had to use that special zappy crossbow to actually mitigate his true powers, and as for the Dark Lord, we had to bait him in special laser beams.

I unfortunately could not do the halloween event this year, so I don't know how difficult it was to kill the Avatar of Amascut. I do know that four braziers had to be lit to damage her, but this is something we've seen elsewhere: Daemonheim. So not necessarily the mark of godly powers.

If someone could tell me how often details of Halloween events are considered canon, I would appreciate it. I am unaware if this is the case.

As for the Bandos Avatar, well this did occur in the 5th age, so we had yet to acquire our World Guardian status, so we likely needed some other way to mitigate godly powers. This was also much earlier on in our adventure and we had likely accumulated far less power at this point.

As for the Dark Lord, the light puzzle was being used to activate the seals of the Elf clans in order to restore Prifddinas, not to weaken the Dark Lord. Once we had defeated the Dark Lord, we completed the next part of the puzzle while he recovered for the next round of battle.

I do mention above that we had help from some magical artifacts as well. I guess we can't directly compare ourselves to T7 or T6 gods, because we are not a god. They will always have powers we cannot, but we will have abilities they cannot have either.

EDIT: Remember that Bandos used to be a T3 before Chosen Commander. Obviously Seren is a T2, so we were battling the avatar or aspect of some of the most powerful gods.

23-Feb-2016 15:20:00 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2016 15:22:33 by Deux Faces

AesirWarrior
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Beating someone does not make you more powerful than that person. There are many times where you defeat someone stronger than you through superior skill, not superior strength. If beating someone meant you were more powerful than that person then Batman would be omnipotent.



Anyway... (yeah I know they're not in the right order)

- QBD Flames aren't close to a Dragonkins, in Hero's welcome we would have been killed easily if Sakirth didn't have broken ribs. (QBD supposedly being as strong as one could just be myth, she could be weaker after sleeping/starving for centuries, or the dragonkin could have grown in power.) The abomination one-shots you without the charm. I'm not sure if Sliske is stronger than any of them either as he tricked Strisath into the cage rather than overpower him.

- We "defeat" QBD through reactivating the spell that keeps her asleep. Not really the same thing as actually beating her.

- We were unable to kill the Bandos avatar without the crossbow and the Dark Lord was killed by the light beams.

- Nex is only feared because of what she represents, she's not a real threat to the gods.

- We wouldn't have been able to defeat Drakan without the rest of the myreque (narratively speaking, not gameplay - wise), Rowl*y "confirmed" this on twitter a while ago. http://i.imgur.***/y5YDlYm.png

- Tumeken proved that tier 5 is enough to create a massive desert so we're definitely not there. Strongly doubt we're anywhere near t6 either.

I'd argue you're using hits or hp way too much in your argument. In-Game stats are made with a priority of making the game playable and enjoyable, not keeping a character consistent. Gameplay/story segregation: From a story standpoint nothing's stopping that lvl 2 man from using Torva and drygores. Even then the people Lucien hit 10-20k on where people who would have high defence anyway.

I might add more to this later or continue in another post. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

23-Feb-2016 17:53:35 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2016 17:54:24 by AesirWarrior

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