RuneScape Forum Archive | what tier Zamorak now?

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
Zaros doesn't give a damn about the Mahjarrat aside from their servitude. That's clear. But even if we took this out of the equation, Zaros isn't a charity case. He doesn't go around helping people because the milk of human goodness runs through his veins, he helps when he has something to gain. And it's clear he has nothing to gain by giving up all of this power to the Mahjarrat and Zamorak. Hell, he didn't even invite Seren to this ritual. I think she's the only one he wouldn't drain due to her own aura.

What he gets out of this:

Mah stops draining his power (once again, he needed them to pull her power out).
He get's some extra power.
He subverts the expectations of both the Zamorakian Mahjarrat and Zamorak (you know, the whole 'get them to follow me by leading by example' kick he's on).

And no duh he'd not invite Seren. For one, she, being Zaros's equal and opposite, would be just as aware of the pull on her power and its nature. For two, she's sworn to oppose Zaros and everything he tries to do.

24-Nov-2016 04:53:54

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
There was no gain from helping them...until Zamorak came, in desperation, and was willing to do anything for his people. Now Zaros could have just proven his trustworthiness and made the deal without payment, proving that he was completely sincere in wanting to help the Mahjarrat, but he didn't. He was only willing to ensure he fulfilled his promise if Zamorak was willing to do anything in return. Zamorak had to be begged to do this, not because anyone was worried Zaros wouldn't do the ritual--he had to--but because they knew he could very well drain all of them.

Yes, Zaros was only willing to help once Zamorak promised to do anything. It's not like it appeared as if he was already going to help them before Zammy showed up. It's not like Zammy was interfering such that Zaros couldn't help them. Oh wait...

And Zamorak had to be begged to do this because he was actively preventing the ritual from being performed, and Zaros refused to kill him.

24-Nov-2016 04:54:21

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
Whatever Zaros is going to make Zamorak do, it's going to be a huge step in becoming an Elder God. Because if he achieves that, then nothing else matters It doesn't matter if the Mahjarrat trust him. It doesn't matter if he loses all this power. It doesn't matter if his enemies are stronger and his allies desert him. Hell, it wouldn't matter if Zamorak had the Mahjarrat start breeding, got them all to Tier 2 Godhood status, became Tier 2 himself, and horded all the Elder Artifacts. All of that wouldn't be able to stop an Elder God.

Won't deny that it probably will be. That being said, again, all of Zaros's existence he's wanted to be followed and obeyed. He craves allies and trust regardless of his own power, and he can’t get that from betraying his followers at every turn.

Hazeel said :
Also, I would normally make a joke about the World Guardian getting furious at Zaros for killing Zemourgal and how silly that would be...but then again, the WG did this over V...so I'll give you that.

Once again, it's more that you think Zaros would spend an entire quest trying to get us to trust him only to intend to show us in the very next quest that he abuses and betrays the trust the Mahjarrat place in him. It makes absolutely no sense.

24-Nov-2016 04:54:42

Hazeel

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She screamed--which had no effect on them--and Zaros said she would destroy them all...sounds more like he was concerned about her throwing a tantrum and attacking. She's seriously weakened, there's no way she could kill something with a tenth of an Elder's power by just screaming at it.

...And before you bring up Mah, she had already been drained of all her power. That's why she could be killed. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

24-Nov-2016 04:58:10

Ancientm3ge

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Hazeel said :
She screamed--which had no effect on them--and Zaros said she would destroy them all...sounds more like he was concerned about her throwing a tantrum and attacking. She's seriously weakened, there's no way she could kill something with a tenth of an Elder's power by just screaming at it.

...And before you bring up Mah, she had already been drained of all her power. That's why she could be killed. You do not know the current extent of Seren's power, all that we can know is that there was a drain on her and all other children of Mah. To what extent is not known, but for Zaros to say she would destroy them all means that there was a legitimate threat from her.

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24-Nov-2016 05:01:33

Hazeel

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Well she's supposedly weakened from her prime since TLW, Mah was draining her, and--unless I missed something--she didn't participate in the ritual and gain anything. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a very low Tier 5. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

24-Nov-2016 05:05:22 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2016 05:06:08 by Hazeel

Ancientm3ge

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Hazeel said :
Well she's supposedly weakened from her prime since TLW, Mah was draining her, and--unless I missed something--she didn't gained participate in the ritual and again anything. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a very low Tier 5. That is a very large assumption with no foundation and quite a leap if I must say so myself.

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24-Nov-2016 05:06:22

Raleirosen

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Hazeel said :
Prime Axiom said :
He probably had no idea that Khazard was Zamorak's son either, and so it's highly unlikely that he was targetting Khazard to get to Zamorak. How would someone as informed as Zaros not know that? And, really, why not use one of his own followers? Of COURSE Zamorak was going to object to Zaros using one of his Mahjarrat as a demonstration, son or not.
I think it's almost certain that Zaros intentionally chose Khazard for a "demonstration" to rile Zamorak and prod him towards the pact... Zaros was the one to bring that up, right? Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

24-Nov-2016 05:58:29

Hazeel

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Well she's weaker in TLW, so what's that leave us with? T3? T4? T5? I'd assume T4, but that really is just a guess on my part I'll admit. Then we have Mah draining them, and it's pretty damn fast since it took brought the Mahjarrat down to needing the ritual again in a matter of hours.

Low tier 5 is a guess, but considering that she's just made up of a few stray crystal fragments and has been horribly drained with no recovery, I can't see her being that powerful at this point. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

24-Nov-2016 05:58:54

Ancientm3ge

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Hazeel said :
Well she's weaker in TLW, so what's that leave us with? T3? T4? T5? I'd assume T4, but that really is just a guess on my part I'll admit. Then we have Mah draining them, and it's pretty damn fast since it took brought the Mahjarrat down to needing the ritual again in a matter of hours.

Low tier 5 is a guess, but considering that she's just made up of a few stray crystal fragments and has been horribly drained with no recovery, I can't see her being that powerful at this point. Firstly it depends on your choices in TLW quest. She wasn't necessarily 'weakened' unless you chose maybe not to add all her pieces together. Also the effect that the Mahjarrat experienced would not be the same as Zaros and Seren because they never needed any rituals.

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24-Nov-2016 06:16:06

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