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2008

The Mather1

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CD_Paladin_C said :
Least Zamorak doesn't have to worry about Saradomin anymore. At the end game, Armadyl will be the only one with 8 targets on his back :^)
You mean Zaros... No, wait, Zaros is actually interested in cooperating with him following his defeat of Bandos.
Then Zamorak... No, wait, Zamorak is actually kind of a decent guy, and only really had anything against Armadyl for being Saradomin's lapdog.
Is it Seren then... Nope, Seren just thinks of him as a naïve child with otherwise good morals.

Even if Saradomin, Brassica, Death/Icthlarin, Vorago, Marimbo, the Dragonkin and the World Guardian were all to oppose Armadyl, that still doesn't add up to 8. And even as a stretch, only 2 of those actually make sense as even being possible (Saradomin and World Guardian).

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23-Nov-2016 02:40:48

Vardan

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The Mather1 said :
CD_Paladin_C said :
Least Zamorak doesn't have to worry about Saradomin anymore. At the end game, Armadyl will be the only one with 8 targets on his back :^)
You mean Zaros... No, wait, Zaros is actually interested in cooperating with him following his defeat of Bandos.
Then Zamorak... No, wait, Zamorak is actually kind of a decent guy, and only really had anything against Armadyl for being Saradomin's lapdog.
Is it Seren then... Nope, Seren just thinks of him as a naïve child with otherwise good morals.

Even if Saradomin, Brassica, Death/Icthlarin, Vorago, Marimbo, the Dragonkin and the World Guardian were all to oppose Armadyl, that still doesn't add up to 8. And even as a stretch, only 2 of those actually make sense as even being possible (Saradomin and World Guardian).
It's Paladin dude. He's making a le ebin wing reference for that sweet reddit karma and upvotes.

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23-Nov-2016 03:41:52

Sep

2021

Fates Pyro

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Capn Swag said :
P.S. mahjarrat update looks terrible, Zamorak look crap in mahjarrat mode, quest had storyline i have to give jagex credit for that but not many combat involves. seriously tho, i feel like wasn't alot of effort was put into this quest sorry to say it. looks like they made it in a week and rushed it. i am kinda disappointed in that quest. idk may be its just me, may be i was too hyped for that quest. rewards aren't that great. cut scenes were too fast, you can't even re-watch them. lots of question still unanswered. feel like too much Stuff will be put on sliske's endgame quest. idt its going cover everything. i give this quest 1.5 /5. You can rewatch cutscenes with the Shard of Mah

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23-Nov-2016 19:50:22

Capn Swag

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Fates Pyro said :
Capn Swag said :
P.S. mahjarrat update looks terrible, Zamorak look crap in mahjarrat mode, quest had storyline i have to give jagex credit for that but not many combat involves. seriously tho, i feel like wasn't alot of effort was put into this quest sorry to say it. looks like they made it in a week and rushed it. i am kinda disappointed in that quest. idk may be its just me, may be i was too hyped for that quest. rewards aren't that great. cut scenes were too fast, you can't even re-watch them. lots of question still unanswered. feel like too much Stuff will be put on sliske's endgame quest. idt its going cover everything. i give this quest 1.5 /5. You can rewatch cutscenes with the Shard of Mah yea I found out that already. Wasn't letting me do it when I first finished the quest

23-Nov-2016 20:25:13

Capn Swag

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. Double post sorry

23-Nov-2016 20:25:13 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2016 20:26:48 by Capn Swag

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@Hazeel and Lord Bhaal

Hgouh is correct. I love how you twisted the whole thing around.

Zaros did not plan on attacking Khazard. Zaros was planning on demonstrating the ritual, siphoning Mah's power to Khazard. He probably had no idea that Khazard was Zamorak's son either, and so it's highly unlikely that he was targetting Khazard to get to Zamorak.

Zaros easily overpowered Zamorak. If he wanted to, he could have killed Zamorak and then the rest of the Zamorakian Mahjarrat. In fact, seeing as how Seren's temper tantrum scream was supposedly powerful enough to overpower all the Mahjarrat and was implied to have eventually destroyed them, Zaros probably could have taken on everybody (including the Zarosian Mahjarrat) if he really wanted. He didn't want to.

The Vinculum Juris was Zaros' idea. Zaros wanted to spare Zamorak, but still ensured that Zamorak wouldn't stab him in the back (again). Saving the Mahjarrat was something Zaros planned to do all along. It's pretty clear that Zaros held all the leverage in Children of Mah.

24-Nov-2016 00:21:45 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2016 00:45:52 by Prime Axiom

Hazeel

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Prime Axiom said :
Zaros did not plan on attacking Khazard. Zaros was planning on demonstrating the ritual, siphoning Mah's power to Khazard.

Or he was lying, like usual, or ready to give a false demonstration to earn their trust.

Prime Axiom said :
He probably had no idea that Khazard was Zamorak's son either, and so it's highly unlikely that he was targetting Khazard to get to Zamorak.

How would someone as informed as Zaros not know that? And, really, why not use one of his own followers? Of COURSE Zamorak was going to object to Zaros using one of his Mahjarrat as a demonstration, son or not.

Prime Axiom said :
Zaros easily overpowered Zamorak. If he wanted to, he could have killed Zamorak and then the rest of the Zamorakian Mahjarrat.

But he didn't, only because he didn't want Zamorak powering them up and becoming a marytr, otherwise he would have. And of course he didn't just up and kill the Mahjarrat, that's a waste of power.

Prime Axiom said :
In fact, seeing as how Seren's temper tantrum scream was supposedly powerful enough to overpower all the Mahjarrat and was implied to have eventually destroyed them,

What the hell are you talking about? You're starting to sound as insane as Edcy.

Prime Axiom said :
The Vinculum Juris was Zaros' idea. Zaros wanted to spare Zamorak, but still ensured that Zamorak wouldn't stab him in the back (again).

Bull. If that were the case, he could have easily made the condition "I fulfill my end and we promise to never fight or harm each other again."

Prime Axiom said :
Saving the Mahjarrat was something Zaros planned to do all along. It's pretty clear that Zaros held all the leverage in Children of Mah.

Huh...his dialogue from the betrayal sure could have fooled me then. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

24-Nov-2016 03:44:24

Ancientm3ge

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Hazeel said :

In fact, seeing as how Seren's temper tantrum scream was supposedly powerful enough to overpower all the Mahjarrat and was implied to have eventually destroyed them,

What the hell are you talking about? You're starting to sound as insane as Edcy.

Did you just pay attention to the parts you liked or did you spacebar? Seren screamed twice and almost destroyed the Mahjarrat until Zaros had her stop.

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24-Nov-2016 04:42:10

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
@Hguoh

This isn't the same as touching the stone, this is absorbing an entire Elder God. Even if it's not enough to ascend to Elder Godhood (and I doubt this), it's still enough to make you so overpowered compared to every other being on the planet that even if every single God faction teamed up, they wouldn't stand a chance.

Except that Zaros has already made it clear that he wants people to follow him willingly, because force does not work. The extra power without elder godhood does next to nothing for him.

Hazeel said :
That said, I don't think draining the Mahjarrat was that important to him, since compared to Mah their power, at the time, was insignificant. He was willing to leave them in Gielinor and go off and do this on his own. He just made a half hearted offer and left it at that. The Mahjarrat are simply a bonus.

Which is why he invited the World Guardian along for the ride. Nothing says, "trust me, I'm a changed god," like inviting you to come witness the slaughter of a species that you invited there under false pretenses.

And that's the biggest flaw with your entire conspiracy here: he wants us to trust him, and siphoning off the Mahjarrat after asking them to trust him really works against that.

24-Nov-2016 04:52:53

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
He has a LOT to lose by doing this:

1) He has the chance to absorb an Elder God. That's millions of times more powerful than he is. But instead of getting the whole pie, it's not split between him and 10 other people, most of which were currently his enemies (and might still be now). This alone costs him over 90% of that power and it strengthens his foes.

2) This loosens his grip over his allies. They're stronger too and more immune to his aura. We can already see two of his three Mahjarrat followers starting to question and distance themselves from him the moment they got stronger.

1) Again, the power is relatively useless given that he doesn't want to lead people with force (because that unsurprisingly fails to work) and it doesn't make him an elder god. And, you know, helping people and showing them your worth tends to be a good way of getting them to start trusting you.

2) Surprisingly enough, guess which Mahjarrat weren't invited to his return and weren't directly made aware of his plans. Methinks he knew their loyalty was more political convenience than actually being loyal to him. But, again, a gesture of good will makes them more likely to consider what/if he asks of them in the future.

24-Nov-2016 04:53:19

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