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The Mather1 said :
Zanaris shouldn't have any energy other than its anima though, and though it does have a lot of trees, they shouldn't produce nearly enough anima to make it a better place to siphon from than Gielinor with all its sentient life.
And while it's true the Grotesque is merely a beast living in the swamp, it is not all there is to it, the Nexus is something separate that has been corrupting the area for a long time, some of the corruption of which created the Grotesque.


According the the person at the Nexus, the Grotesque is the source of the corruption and not the other way around.

As for Zanaris: it is purportedly the nexus of all planes; had a portal that allowed people to reach any plane (later used to fuel the fairy rings); is home to the cosmic altar (previously the rift of cosmic energy); and naturally causes strange and wacky events to occur on it's surface.

Seems to be a pretty good source of magical energies to me.

09-Sep-2015 17:36:51 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2015 17:37:15 by Hguoh

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I've just noticed something else fairly interesting: the harmony of the 4 ancient elements in the Zarosian empire. It's a fairly common repeating theme in Zarosian lore.

You have Azzanadra who gets imprisoned in 4 diamonds, each representing one of the four elements. And each of the four diamonds ends up in the control of a Zamorakian (likely ex-Zarosian) warrior specializing in the same element.

You have Nex who not only utilizes all 4 of the elements in combat, but also has 4 mages who who each represent and enhance one of the 4 elements.

There's the use of each element in turn by Zaros when he defeats Loarnab.

The four types of nihil.

And let's not forget The Old Blood, in which we see 4 temple guards. One of these guards uses blood magic, one uses ice magic, and two are eliminated before being able to cast a spell. This notably leaves the perfect room for the two quickly eliminated guards to have been a smoke magic user and a shadow magic user.

But it gets even better. Zaros's own symbol appears to reflect this harmony, possessing 4 evenly spaced pegs along the outside of the ring aligning with the center of the equally sized quadrants within.

All in all, I think this shows that the use of all four ancient elements together, and by extension the number 4, was a significant part of both military and religious aspects of the Zarosian empire.

09-Sep-2015 21:36:20 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2015 21:38:04 by Hguoh

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Something tells me that there was a branch of the Zarosian bureaucracy that we haven't heard of yet.
We have the Legates, the Pontifices and the Praetors:
The Legates were in charge of the military, they were most prominently demons; Smoke.
The Pontifices were in charge of teachings, by the looks of Old Blood vampires were prominent; Blood.
The Praetors were in charge of undercover policing, Sliske is the only known Praetor; Shadow.
We're missing a representative of Ice.
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09-Sep-2015 23:22:17

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The Mather1 said :
Something tells me that there was a branch of the Zarosian bureaucracy that we haven't heard of yet.
We have the Legates, the Pontifices and the Praetors:
The Legates were in charge of the military, they were most prominently demons; Smoke.
The Pontifices were in charge of teachings, by the looks of Old Blood vampires were prominent; Blood.
The Praetors were in charge of undercover policing, Sliske is the only known Praetor; Shadow.
We're missing a representative of Ice.


Based on Mod Jack's (I'm pretty sure it was him) quotes on what the Zarosian judicial system would have been like, I'm guessing Judges.

You have the Pontifex's which create laws ,and Praetors to enforce laws. But nobody yet to interpret the laws, as the Legatus did not really deal in politics outside of negotiating with settlements to incorporate them into the empire.

09-Sep-2015 23:26:25 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2015 23:29:30 by Hguoh

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The judges would've probably been mostly Chthonians, what with their precedence for legal systems.
I'm not sure they could really relate to Ice though, as that doesn't really fit them thematically, gives us a second nature from Infernus and is opposite of the fiery nature of Infernus.
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09-Sep-2015 23:40:03

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The Mather1 said :
The judges would've probably been mostly Chthonians, what with their precedence for legal systems.
I'm not sure they could really relate to Ice though, as that doesn't really fit them thematically, gives us a second nature from Infernus and is opposite of the fiery nature of Infernus.


It's true that Infernus isn't the best place of origin for something that's thematically related to ice, but keep in mind that the Chthonians are notably different from their Avernic cousins. Whereas the Avernic are born of flame and have a sort of internal fire, the Chthonians are spawned from one another with the most powerful harboring a cold, calculating, and ruthless logic.

It is this amoral, cruel, and ruthless logic possessed by Chthonians that makes them suitable for judges and effective personifications of ice.

10-Sep-2015 00:18:32

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I think the judges were made up of mostly Mahjarrat and humans. I kind of have to disagree with the Cthonian theory because while the cthonians can be remarkably smart, do you think that Hostilius would send his smartest and most intelligent underlings, when he had the ability to actually breed cthonians that only specialized in war. That would be the equivalent of sending Albert Einstein into battle when you can send G. I. Joe. It just wouldn't be a smart thing for a leader to do.


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Laws were enforced by the church, which was the same thing as the civil bureaucracy. By the late empire Zaros trusted its running to the human leaders and Azzanadra, but even Azzanadra could only personally supervise a tiny fraction of it.

Like any human institution, I'm sure corruption and inefficiency were tremendous.



This to me suggest that the laws were interpreted by the humans, thematically it kind of makes sense. Humans originate from a cold and barren planet, and yes while the planet was devoid of magic, just look at their history with magic. The first spells V taught them was to do with water and air. Water as you know lies in the same branch as ice magic. The former arch mage of the wizard tower specialized in water magic. Icyene represent the ice side of the nihls, could maybe Saradomin have taught them a thing or too. The Lunar mages, who are arguably the best mages in all of gielinor live in an icy cold region, so if you care about thematics it makes sense.

Mod Jack mentions Civil Bureaucracy, so i assume they had a jury system, possible those humans that we see Zamorak slaughtering in the comic.


Though just a thought, what if the jury system was rather like power to the player, so instead of a small selection of your peers, it was everyone. There would be no proper trial, all citizens could vote if they wanted too. Thus always pleasing the majority

10-Sep-2015 01:31:44

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