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Lego Miester
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Giras said :
Sounds like a bad fanfiction. You're also assuming a lot of things without any evidence behind them.

As someone with a lot of experience in fanfictions (still got that thread in my sig!), yeah. You've got to root your story in something that's already canon. This seems to fly in the face of everything we know about these characters. I mean the story of the game is almost never 100% consistent, but there's always something to tie even the most disparate plot threads together.

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24-Sep-2017 03:25:22

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MystLunaris said :
Zaros at some point in the future slays Xau-Tak or another God-like creature from The Void or multiple ones, this gives him enough power to ascend to Elder Godhood (or higher).

No, elder godhood is not something that can be attained by amassing power. In the words of Jas, a flame can never be a star however bright it burns. Much like how knowledge of how to tap directly into the anima and use it to bolster their divine magic is required for a god to ascend from T3 to T2, going from T2 to T1 appears to require knowledge of how to create life.

MystLunaris said :
After ascending to Elder Godhood Zaros travels back in time and beings corrupting Mah to ensure that he and everyone else is created.

1. The only beings observed to ever travel through time are ourselves and Aeternam (sort of). Not even Jas has demonstrated the ability to time travel.

2. Mah's corruption was revealed to have been caused by icy blue crystals on her core. As pure elder god magic is crystal and the crystals observed are associated with ice, Wen is the most likely culprit behind Mah's corruption.

MystLunaris said :
Elder God Zaros' most important action here is bestowing upon the Trahaearn Inventor the knowledge to make the Amserdrwys and then making them forget it all and burn all their notes in a fire.

We already have a being outside of time that we can attribute the appearance and subsequent removal of the knowledge to create the Amserdrwys to if we feel so inclined: Aeternam.

MystLunaris said :
Amserdryws and the player are important for 2 reasons, that's how he kills Xau-Tak, the player uses Amserdryws to go back in time and onboard The Glory of Zaros and gain information for Zaros about Xua-Tak and that is how Gustaf Joannhes knows the player's name.

Or, and stay with me now, Gustaf knew our name because Xau knows our name.

24-Sep-2017 20:47:43

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MystLunaris said :
So, how powerful are Gods from The Void and what does Xau-Tak really have to do with all of this?
Well the Lore section of the recent Runefest showed us that there is some kind of bubble protecting our universe from the Void, although Gutix tore a hole in this with The Blade.
Now with as powerful as the Elder Gods are, why would they feel a need to create a protective bubble to separate our universe from The Void?
Unless there are beings in The Void more powerful than even the Elder Gods, or at least similarly powerful but more numerous, so the Gods from The Void are certainly very powerful.

Yeah, not necessarily. I build a greenhouse to grow things in not because the animals outside are more powerful than or dangerous to me, but because the climate outside might not be the best suited for the plants I want to grow and the animals pose a threat to the plants (not me).

MystLunaris said :
As for Xau-Tak, while unconfirmed it is possible that Xau-Tak remained on Gilenor even after the Edicts were enacted, which puts its power at least above Guthix, Zaros and Seren, even if not fully into the power of an Elder God.

Or Xau isn't divine and therefore couldn't be affected by the Edicts. Xau could very well be a non-divine being of a power comparable to the gods like Hostilius was.

MystLunaris said :
There's also another more impressive measure of power, it survived Guthix stabbing it with The Blade and the subsequent destruction of the world it was inhabiting.

Tuska survived Skargaroth's assault on her with the sword. Just means that any blows landed on the target weren't lethal in nature. There was an idea that Xau-tak was a virus that had obtained godhood. If this were true, it could survive and regenerate almost anything unless you annihilated all of it.

24-Sep-2017 20:58:31

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MystLunaris said :
but that's got to be a lot of power, especially considering that for most Gods one small stab with an Elder Artifact is enough.

Zaros was stabbed with the Siphon and survived. Guthix was blasted by the Siphon and chose to die from the blow. Zamorak, Bandos, Armadyl and Saradomin were caught in an explosion of the Catalyst's (the most powerful artifact) power, and they apparently came out just fine.

MystLunaris said :
Something that's always interested me and kind of became the basis for this theory is wondering why in a world where the player doesn't exist (Dimension of Disaster) does Zaros also not step foot on Gilenor?
They must be linked somehow, right? But how?

We already know the answer to this since I bothered to ask, and was lucky enough to receive and answer. WIthout us, Jack (from Meeting History) became an evil sorceror/druid. He terrorized the populace of Gielinor until Guthix intervened and killed him. Seren was horrified by this and lost hope that Guthix could help her find a way to unbind the elves from her, and she left Gielinor with her elves. Without her on Gielinor, Zaros was never subconsciously drawn to Gielinor by her presence.

24-Sep-2017 21:09:03

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Those are all very good points, and I'm glad to finally have the answer as to why Zaros wasn't in Dimension of Disaster, except.


Hguoh said :
Or, and stay with me now, Gustaf knew our name because Xau knows our name.

I assumed both did, but it doesn't really matter either way.

Hguoh said :

Zaros was stabbed with the Siphon and survived. Guthix was blasted by the Siphon and chose to die from the blow. Zamorak, Bandos, Armadyl and Saradomin were caught in an explosion of the Catalyst's (the most powerful artifact) power, and they apparently came out just fine.

Zaros wouldn't have survived if he didn't take on an incorperial form.
The way I interpreted it wasn't that Guthix chose to let the blow kill him (although being at the same Godhood teir as Zaros he essentially did) but that it was more that he chose to let everyone get that close to killing him in the first place.
I haven't done Sliske's endgame yet so I can't really comment on that last point but I suspect whatever energy released in the explosion wasn't harmful or was being channelled (other wise there's even greater inconsistancy of what it takes to kill a god than already shown)
I am aware that some Gods are more resilient than others, one stab with the Elder sword killed Skargaroth but only blinded Tuska.
But at the same time Bandos was killed by a super charged blast from a device that I'm not even sure would be equal to an Elder artifact.

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25-Sep-2017 08:29:20

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MystLunaris said :
I haven't done Sliske's endgame yet so I can't really comment on that last point but I suspect whatever energy released in the explosion wasn't harmful or was being channelled (other wise there's even greater inconsistancy of what it takes to kill a god than already shown)

This wasn't in Sliske's Endgame. This was the explosion that created the Wilderness back at the end of the 3rd age. We can see the lead up to this event in a cutscene within Dishonour Among Thieves.

Beyond that, there's already a large variance in what it takes to kill a god based on how much of their power they are using to defend themselves. At most, we've seen gods survive a Stone of Jas fueled explosion (Zamorak, Saradomin, Armadyl, and Bandos at the end of the God Wars). At least, we've seen a god die to a simple pike (Bandos killing Jododu Otoku).

In the cases of Zaros being stabbed by Zammy and Guthix being blasted by Sliske, neither was defending their physical form very well. Zaros had been relying on trapping Zamorak in his own mind and didn't expect him to break free. Guthix wanted to die and so prepared little to no defense.

All an elder artifact does is make the prospect of killing a god easier.

25-Sep-2017 10:20:43 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2017 10:43:30 by Hguoh

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Hguoh said :

This wasn't in Sliske's Endgame. This was the explosion that created the Wilderness back at the end of the 3rd age.
I should've figured that out because Bandos was in the list of Gods, but I just saw a list of Gods, Stone of Jas and Explosion and assumed it was Slike's Endgame. XD

The point about how much power they're using to defend themselves seems like a pretty good point, both Skargaroth and Jododu Otoku were asleep when they were oneshot.
Although that still leaves some questions about Bandos' death.
Xau-Tak being a parasite at the core of a planet does seem to imply that it would be sleeping or at the very least not spending much of its power on defence, so I still think it's impressive it managed to survive an attack from The Blade. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

25-Sep-2017 16:47:45

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So... Deities from the Void. Great Old Ones. Lovecraftian, Xau-Tak. All good so far.

You talk about Xau-Tak not being banished with the Edicts. Remember that Guthix had to individually banish each god, he didn't just snap his fingers and poof they're all gone.

... if they were as powerful or more powerful than the Elder Gods, none of us would be here, the Elder Gods would all be dead.. Also, we would have no hope of defeating Xau-Tak if that were the case.

The World Guardian has been played before, and we can be a bit naive in our urges to help people whether for reward, glory, or being nice... but you make it sound like Zaros played us like a damn Fiddle. Literally puppet strings, in order to achieve Elder Godhood.

Basically, there is acting on assumption, and then there is assuming you can re-write things, people, etc. You're inching too far towards the latter. A
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04-Oct-2017 20:23:26

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I agree with all the issues raised but there are a couple of interesting points raised here:

- I do in fact believe that the player will at some stage travel back in time to the 2nd age and interract with the Zarosians and Xau-Tak. Not only does Xau know about us but in the haunted house quest (whatever it's called) we find our own name in the signing book of a zarosian asylum.

- As to who I think the sixth elder god might be I think they may have come into existence (in some way) as a result of Mah's corruption with the extra mouthpiece in heart of stone being part of the preparations for the arrival of Mah's actual replacement once it gains a form. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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