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Gamez X
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Yes balance means not good nor evil which is why the ones where he makes a hard choice doing something bad for the greater good is well done. But saying he just outright didnt care about seren is wrong, not just in opinion or in character but actually factually wrong. He's stated to us in person the very opposite. Infact the 2 entries i highlighted are in complete contradiction to previously established lore and quotes. So i feel whoever wrote this didnt know what they where doing

11-Jun-2018 22:54:55

Haukur

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Ok, we know that Guthix was in pain and suffering from all that he had lost. Granted he did have feelings for Seren, he let himself that it was true love, thus the beautiful lie part. I also believe it was a coping mechanism for him, that tell himself that he did not love her, when he had to expel her and the others.

As for the humans and the edicts. Yes we know that he threw the gods out after the first god war, but he also what the humans and other races did and reacted to the gods. Which angered him. He did not want worshipers, nor did he want any race dependent upon the gods. Yet they chose to. Don't ever think the reason I am peaceful is because I do not know how to be violent.
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11-Jun-2018 23:04:52

Gamez X
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Yes guthix was in pain, but according to this entry he was apparently just using seren's effect like a drug for his depression? I'm sorry to whatever mod wrote that but that is entirely wrong. We've talked to guthix himself who said he cares for seren and that it would destroy him to make her leave. Heck there are parts in the game where it said he broke down completely after seeing her shatter. This hardly sounds like someone who didnt really care, who was just lying to her the entire time and who apparently had brushed off all feelings for her when it came to making her leave. Its direct contradiction, EVERYONE knows he really did care for her. Heck thats not even going into the point being the source of the world guardians power he was IMMUNE to serens effect much like how we are

And the edicts one, well thats completely incorrect too. Its stated he was asleep the entire time the gods where doing their stuff, he only ever woke up when the nuke happened. And he wasnt keeping an eye on the mortals in his sleep, in the edicts echo in the normal memorial he says when he woke up from being burned by the nuke he didnt know about the people watching over his body, or anything about them. And in that same echo entry it says "i returned to a world on fire and i was forced to take action, the gods had to end". Its clearly stated it was HERE he kicked the gods off the world right after he woke up (and again he knew nothing of the current world at this point), and that he did so because of the damage the gods did to the world

However you look at it, there are clear problems with whatever this mod wrote. I do feel like they didnt know what they where doing or didnt know previous lore

11-Jun-2018 23:19:30

RoninOctopus

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I feel.... ambivalent.... about this new lore.

When I was told to expect Guthix's darkest secrets I was expecting serious stuff that would offer a different perspective on the God of Balance. While sure Guthix we saw some of Guthix shenanigans with Juna's memory, the rest felt a bit lackluster. I was hoping to learn more about stuff like the story behind Renmark's destruction (and the parasite unleashed), the exact nature of Pests and the Void, his thoughts on Ocellus and the Order of Ascension, the Balance elemental, ETC. ETC.

Instead half of the memories felt like a weak plug for future content.

Guthix: World Guardian, you must save the planet because the Elder Gods are awakening and going to cause chaos. And that's terrible.

I'll admit some things have me scratching but compared to other lore dumps like The Curse of Zaros or Mahjarrat Memories it was kind of tepid. Your friendly, neighborhood anthropologist

11-Jun-2018 23:29:24

Gamez X
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You speak like he only saw seren as an addiction and his sorrow for loosing her was just like smoking withdrawal? Yet in the light within quest the exact words he uses are "i must ask her to leave but it will break my heart to do it". Those arnt the words of someone loosing alcohol, those are the words of someone loosing a loved one

This point is obvious to anyone who's been following the game, he truely did care for seren. Not as some divine drug, not as "i might care a little bit after all this time" and certainly not in the way of "i was lying to her this entire time just to keep her around". He truly cared for her and loosing her broke his heart. Whoever wrote this new lore piece simply doesnt understand the lore already or is trying to do a harsh shift/retcon much in the same way as disney did to luke skywalker, it just doesnt work even if you try to reason it through

12-Jun-2018 02:31:29

Hazeel

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Not as dark as I would have hoped, but oh well. I'm not seeing the contradiction.

We know no such thing regarding Seren. We know that Guthix liked her and would rather her stay, but he clearly never loved her as he was willing to use force to make her leave.

His followers claim he kicked the Gods out because of war, but we've known for a long time that this is secondary to Guthix's hatred of theism. A distant second at that. Makes sense considering most of the war was waged by the mortals themselves and the mortals went right back to it with the Gods gone. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

12-Jun-2018 05:02:57 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2018 05:05:13 by Hazeel

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