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Hguoh
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I see two issues with that:
1. The races encountered by Zaros and Seren on the lower planes showed no indication that they had ever met or followed Tumeken. This would mean that Tumeken would have had to have been created and left Freneskae prior to the development of sentient life on these planes and most likely any sentient life native to this revision.
2. It ruins the lovely implication of Tumeken potentially knowing that there were beings on Freneskae to seek help from (why else cross the universe rather than seek help nearby). As he'd have no way of knowing about the Dreams of Mah.
I'm not an advocate of this theory (though I'm not against it either. I really just haven't thought about it enough)
But I don't think your first argument is valid. The races on the lower planes may never have met Tumeken, and if so that means he visited their planet before they were sentient or he just never visited their planet. Perhaps he made a bee-line straight for the other side of the universe for whatever reason.
Your second argument is better but it's possible he possessed an artifact that allows him to know, or he used some patchy logic. i.e. I was created by Mah, Zaros and Seren were created by Mah, it's probably more beings were created by Mah. It's not outright impossible for him to suspect that there were others out there. Perhaps he didn't even know there were others out there and Mah was the intended target for some reason.
Of course your version works too
I see two issues with that:
1. The races encountered by Zaros and Seren on the lower planes showed no indication that they had ever met or followed Tumeken. This would mean that Tumeken would have had to have been created and left Freneskae prior to the development of sentient life on these planes and most likely any sentient life native to this revision.
2. It ruins the lovely implication of Tumeken potentially knowing that there were beings on Freneskae to seek help from (why else cross the universe rather than seek help nearby). As he'd have no way of knowing about the Dreams of Mah.
I'm not an advocate of this theory (though I'm not against it either. I really just haven't thought about it enough)
But I don't think your first argument is valid. The races on the lower planes may never have met Tumeken, and if so that means he visited their planet before they were sentient or he just never visited their planet. Perhaps he made a bee-line straight for the other side of the universe for whatever reason.
Your second argument is better but it's possible he possessed an artifact that allows him to know, or he used some patchy logic. i.e. I was created by Mah, Zaros and Seren were created by Mah, it's probably more beings were created by Mah. It's not outright impossible for him to suspect that there were others out there. Perhaps he didn't even know there were others out there and Mah was the intended target for some reason.
Of course your version works too
11-Feb-2017 17:37:52
Jakir
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tl;dr love the theory but it's mine.
Fair enough, a lot of the evidence though seems to rely on recently confirmed things. I did hear it floated around a few times, but was thinking about it in light of what we learned from CoM and Endgame and it seemed to have enough circumstantial evidence to finally post something substantial about it and discuss.
tl;dr you can have the theory, I just wanted to make a decent post with the supporting evidence
tl;dr love the theory but it's mine.
Fair enough, a lot of the evidence though seems to rely on recently confirmed things. I did hear it floated around a few times, but was thinking about it in light of what we learned from CoM and Endgame and it seemed to have enough circumstantial evidence to finally post something substantial about it and discuss.
tl;dr you can have the theory, I just wanted to make a decent post with the supporting evidence
01-May-2017 20:36:28
Helring
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tl;dr you can have the theory, I just wanted to make a decent post with the supporting evidence
Aw. Snap. Implying my original post wasn't decent
btw if anything the fact that I was calling this out years in advance with a lot less supporting evidence just means I'm a mega awesome lore super sleuth m'kay?
Hguoh said :
Crondis, Apmekan, Het, and Scabaras all existed prior to Tumeken blowing himself up. Senliten shows knowledge of Apmekan and Scabaras, and she was pharaoh prior to Tumeken's detenation, and her tomb includes statues of the all 4 of them as well.
That might actually be a lorefail because in the Lore Fc years ago the mod behind Diamond in the rough was talking about how the point when the demigods originated wasn't a certain thing and most of their "history" is myth and folk lore. It is possible as that was a dev talking and you are referencing actual ingame content that things simply went a different direction in the end but the dev was talking after those things were in game so I think if anything they were overlooked.
Although examining it further regardless of what we think about the cause of the 4 demigods the end result remains that he split himself into 4 aspects of himself just like Mahjarrat can be.
As for the maze info... damn it. I missed so much thanks to those limited janky scenes! As long as Amascut got her power from Tumeken though (Or Elidinis if she is also a child of Mah) the nature of it and how it might react to coming in contact with Mah still holds true.
tl;dr you can have the theory, I just wanted to make a decent post with the supporting evidence
Aw. Snap. Implying my original post wasn't decent
btw if anything the fact that I was calling this out years in advance with a lot less supporting evidence just means I'm a mega awesome lore super sleuth m'kay?
Hguoh said :
Crondis, Apmekan, Het, and Scabaras all existed prior to Tumeken blowing himself up. Senliten shows knowledge of Apmekan and Scabaras, and she was pharaoh prior to Tumeken's detenation, and her tomb includes statues of the all 4 of them as well.
That might actually be a lorefail because in the Lore Fc years ago the mod behind Diamond in the rough was talking about how the point when the demigods originated wasn't a certain thing and most of their "history" is myth and folk lore. It is possible as that was a dev talking and you are referencing actual ingame content that things simply went a different direction in the end but the dev was talking after those things were in game so I think if anything they were overlooked.
Although examining it further regardless of what we think about the cause of the 4 demigods the end result remains that he split himself into 4 aspects of himself just like Mahjarrat can be.
As for the maze info... damn it. I missed so much thanks to those limited janky scenes! As long as Amascut got her power from Tumeken though (Or Elidinis if she is also a child of Mah) the nature of it and how it might react to coming in contact with Mah still holds true.
02-May-2017 11:01:26
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