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May

2019

Captain Lime

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It would make the lore *really* messy.

1) How did Tumeken get off Freneskae? To be honest, it's not as big a problem as everyone else thinks. Freneskae has a great deal of divine power, he could've become a god any number of ways. However, it would not be easy - there are no elder artifacts, and the only sources of power would be other children of Mah and muspah.

2) However, it also means that Tumeken would have been made after Zaros, yet somehow arriving at Gielinor before Zaros, even though he ascended to Godhood. Kinda wonky, unless he was made before Zaros or Seren. That also seems kinda weird, as wouldn't Seren or Zaros have found evidence of his presence? It doesn't necessarily has to be like that, but still. Funky.

3) If Tumeken was a Child of Mah, Zaros would've known, and so would the other Mahjarrat. Auras, man. Instead, Zaros treats Tumeken almost like nothing. I suppose he does just treat everyone like that, though.

4) It also eliminates the primary reason the Mahjarrat betrayed Tumeken, that they're more like Zaros than the Desert Gods. Then again, the mahjarrat could just be traitorous no-good power-hungry villains like I say they are.

5) There are reports of Tumeken and Temekel being in the same place at the same time. However, Tumeken has been known to make projections, as has Saradomin, so I guess that's not really conclusive.

So it does make some things easier to explain, but it wrecks way more things. I say it's unlikely. ^ "Some of those words were

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23-Nov-2016 03:52:36 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2016 03:53:21 by Captain Lime

Mar

2005

Helring

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As far as Temekel goes, I'm not saying Tumeken is Temekel, that would be way too messy. Just that Temekel, one of Tumeken's more powerful followers found the Kharid-Ib important enough to guard it with his life. Which would make sense if the gem is in essence Tumeken like the Mahj gems are the Mahj.

How Tumeken powered up could be explained plenty of ways, like Lime mentioned there's a lot of Elder God energy around there, and he wouldn't have neccessarily had to be a Mahjarrat. If he was a member of another tribe that didn't share power then perhaps he ascended just by killing most/all of the others.

Beating Zaros and Seren to Gielinor isn't really a stretch if he didn't do as much sightseeing. Both Zaros and Seren seemed to stop for a long time inbetween.

Its possible that Zaros had approached Tumeken as a fellow Child of Mah, and been rebuffed. Even when he approached the Mahjarrat it was clearly as a superior, but with Tumeken ascended he may not have wanted to serve.

It seems that for many Mahjarrat, the main reason to leave Tumeken's service might have been Zaros' promise to remove the rituals. If Tumeken didn't offer that then they might have betrayed him regardless of kin. Note how many are eager to sacrifice eachother for power anyway.

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23-Nov-2016 04:32:27

Hguoh

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Captain Lime said :
It would make the lore *really* messy.

1) How did Tumeken get off Freneskae? To be honest, it's not as big a problem as everyone else thinks. Freneskae has a great deal of divine power, he could've become a god any number of ways. However, it would not be easy - there are no elder artifacts, and the only sources of power would be other children of Mah and muspah.

Um... how? There's no gods to kill, no elder artifacts to ascend with, and the only divine power on Freneskae is your creator who wants to eat you.

Captain Lime said :
2) However, it also means that Tumeken would have been made after Zaros, yet somehow arriving at Gielinor before Zaros, even though he ascended to Godhood. Kinda wonky, unless he was made before Zaros or Seren. That also seems kinda weird, as wouldn't Seren or Zaros have found evidence of his presence? It doesn't necessarily has to be like that, but still. Funky.

World Gate. Guthix obviously visited the world after Zaros left, but before Zaros made it to Gielinor (maybe after meeting Seren on Tarddiad). Given the unknown length of the 1st age, this leaves plenty of time for some Mahjarrat to stumble upon and through the world gate and ascend on some other world.

Captain Lime said :
3) If Tumeken was a Child of Mah, Zaros would've known, and so would the other Mahjarrat. Auras, man. Instead, Zaros treats Tumeken almost like nothing. I suppose he does just treat everyone like that, though.

There were other tribes, and not all of them were the same. As we already learned from Hazeel, the Mahserrat were quite different culturally and apparently physically from the Mahjarrat.

24-Nov-2016 05:04:38

Hguoh

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Captain Lime said :
4) It also eliminates the primary reason the Mahjarrat betrayed Tumeken, that they're more like Zaros than the Desert Gods. Then again, the mahjarrat could just be traitorous no-good power-hungry villains like I say they are.

Again, cultural differences. The Mahserrat didn't have rituals. Tumeken could be one of them for example.

Captain Lime said :
5) There are reports of Tumeken and Temekel being in the same place at the same time. However, Tumeken has been known to make projections, as has Saradomin, so I guess that's not really conclusive.

Nobody is saying Temekel and Tumeken are the same person. They just have similar names, which could indicate some distant relationship (Zemouregal is one example of a Mahjarrat inheriting a name).

24-Nov-2016 05:07:24

Apr

2013

ZAmorakZaros

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A Mighty said :
So when it's all set and done all the surviving Mahjarrat will ascend. Hell, we should just make them all ascend now and call it a day. Zamorak, Lucien, Sliske, Azzanadra, Tumeken/Temekel... If this theory is true (and it certainly is a damn good theory) that's 5 already who either ascended or got pretty damn close..
Well, children of mah kind of are the mortal beings closest to gods... NO
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30-Jan-2017 13:13:27

Apr

2013

ZAmorakZaros

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Hguoh said :
Captain Lime said :
1) How did Tumeken get off Freneskae? To be honest, it's not as big a problem as everyone else thinks. Freneskae has a great deal of divine power, he could've become a god any number of ways. However, it would not be easy - there are no elder artifacts, and the only sources of power would be other children of Mah and muspah.

Um... how? There's no gods to kill, no elder artifacts to ascend with, and the only divine power on Freneskae is your creator who wants to eat you.

Captain Lime said :
3) If Tumeken was a Child of Mah, Zaros would've known, and so would the other Mahjarrat. Auras, man. Instead, Zaros treats Tumeken almost like nothing. I suppose he does just treat everyone like that, though.

There were other tribes, and not all of them were the same. As we already learned from Hazeel, the Mahserrat were quite different culturally and apparently physically from the Mahjarrat.
Maybe Tumeken went to the volcano while mah was asleep. And invented divination.

Maybe he was a somehow surviving mahkorrat, which would maybe make Azzy hate him. NO
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30-Jan-2017 13:23:32

Darc Oejder

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Hopefully Temekel is still alive and we can help him with the release of Menaphos restore Tumeken. I don't think Tumeken is a dream of Mah for that would be a stretch but maybe there is a connection between the two. Temekel is a real badass for not betraying the Menapihtes and fighting his own kin. We need more badass mahjarrat instead of the power hungry fools we got aside from Wahisitel.

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30-Jan-2017 15:37:09

Apr

2013

ZAmorakZaros

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Darc Oejder said :
Hopefully Temekel is still alive and we can help him with the release of Menaphos restore Tumeken. I don't think Tumeken is a dream of Mah for that would be a stretch but maybe there is a connection between the two. Temekel is a real badass for not betraying the Menaphites and fighting his own kin. We need more badass mahjarrat instead of the power hungry fools we got aside from Wahisitel.
Other mahjarrat have goals beyond power gain too. And Wahi has a thirst for knowledge and knowledge is power. Your argument is irrelevant.

Good examples of mahjarrat whose main goal is not power seems to be Azzy and Bilrach. They are just fanatics. And Kharshai. He is cool. NO
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30-Jan-2017 15:59:59

Darc Oejder

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Darc Oejder said :
Hopefully Temekel is still alive and we can help him with the release of Menaphos restore Tumeken. I don't think Tumeken is a dream of Mah for that would be a stretch but maybe there is a connection between the two. Temekel is a real badass for not betraying the Menaphites and fighting his own kin. We need more badass mahjarrat instead of the power hungry fools we got aside from Wahisitel.
Other mahjarrat have goals beyond power gain too. And Wahi has a thirst for knowledge and knowledge is power. Your argument is irrelevant.

Good examples of mahjarrat whose main goal is not power seems to be Azzy and Bilrach. They are just fanatics. And Kharshai. He is cool.

Kharshai is cool. Wanting knowledge like Wahisitel is also cool. But the rest either want power ot to serve fanaticaly their respective god. I don't find them interesting even Azzanadra whom I like is too loyal with not much individuality.
Temekel is the strongest mahjarrat who seems to have a code of honor and is absolutely fearless even in the face of death which all scared witless from.

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30-Jan-2017 16:29:21

Apr

2013

ZAmorakZaros

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Darc Oejder said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Darc Oejder said :
Hopefully Temekel is still alive and we can help him with the release of Menaphos restore Tumeken. I don't think Tumeken is a dream of Mah for that would be a stretch but maybe there is a connection between the two. Temekel is a real badass for not betraying the Menaphites and fighting his own kin. We need more badass mahjarrat instead of the power hungry fools we got aside from Wahisitel.
Other mahjarrat have goals beyond power gain too. And Wahi has a thirst for knowledge and knowledge is power. Your argument is irrelevant.

Good examples of mahjarrat whose main goal is not power seems to be Azzy and Bilrach. They are just fanatics. And Kharshai. He is cool.

Kharshai is cool. Wanting knowledge like Wahisitel is also cool. But the rest either want power ot to serve fanaticaly their respective god. I don't find them interesting even Azzanadra whom I like is too loyal with not much individuality.
Temekel is the strongest mahjarrat who seems to have a code of honor and is absolutely fearless even in the face of death which all scared witless from.
Now that I think of it we do not really know what some of their goals are. Like we did not know what sliske was planning. Zemo is the easy to know and so are the other conquering ones BUT WHAT IS ATHANAKOS PLANNING? Does he plan camel revolution? Does he want to build his own faith? Does he aim towards godhood? Does he just plan something against Enakhra?

Yes, the knowledge mahjarrat are the ones who easily seem nice and not power hungry. That is true. But do we really know their plans? They most likely are not doing it for fun... I will go ask Kharshai. NO
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30-Jan-2017 16:46:25

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