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Half Centaur
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Balustan said :
Browncow45 said :
Padomenes said :
Could Saradomin's power and perhaps Icyene magic be related to Law and Ice energy? Law is the energy/element that is opposite of Chaos Energy and we've seen how it's possible for a Chaos Elemental to exist. *snip*

I disagree. By that logic the Sacred Forge is tied to Zaros by virtue of being where Lassar once was. Sharing a location is not indicative that things are connected in that way.

I disagree as well. For one, RC altars were made in the first age, before Saradomin's arrival, so, I'm more inclined to think that rather than that brand of magic being related to Saradomin somehow- the power accessed within the temple was of use to Saradomin, particularly when summoning his armies.

It is the Law temple- the temple of the runes needed for teleportation. No doubt that access to a temple of such an element, the creation of a portal would be hastened. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

23-Jun-2014 01:59:22

Cthris
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Half Centaur said :
Balustan said :
Browncow45 said :
Padomenes said :
Could Saradomin's power and perhaps Icyene magic be related to Law and Ice energy? Law is the energy/element that is opposite of Chaos Energy and we've seen how it's possible for a Chaos Elemental to exist. *snip*

I disagree. By that logic the Sacred Forge is tied to Zaros by virtue of being where Lassar once was. Sharing a location is not indicative that things are connected in that way.

I disagree as well. For one, RC altars were made in the first age, before Saradomin's arrival, so, I'm more inclined to think that rather than that brand of magic being related to Saradomin somehow- the power accessed within the temple was of use to Saradomin, particularly when summoning his armies.

It is the Law temple- the temple of the runes needed for teleportation. No doubt that access to a temple of such an element, the creation of a portal would be hastened.

The altars were attuned rune essence created by a bunch of people focusing on one thing at the same time, it had nothing to do with the power of the area. The reason why it is a law altar on Saradomins land is most likely because when the lunar clan created the altars the were focusing on the law side of Saradomin. Saradomin did not create a place of order energy anymore then the Vampyres created a place of blood energy.

23-Jun-2014 02:23:13

Half Centaur
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....except the law altar was created before Saradomin's arrival on Gielinor...


Soooo....

Yeah....


What came first? The Saradomin or the Law altar? Law altar came first.


They used the altar to draw on the law energy of the world, from that location. Obviously, some amount of forethought of some seers went into its location. So, Saradomin later comes to the altar, and sees a resource for him to more easily draw on the law energy of the world to create a portal to bring forth his followers- and he uses it.


There is no law energy or anything of the sort coming from Saradomin. He's just another god. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

23-Jun-2014 02:26:11 - Last edited on 23-Jun-2014 02:28:41 by Half Centaur

Cthris
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Half Centaur said :
....except the law altar was created before Saradomin's arrival on Gielinor...


Soooo....

Yeah....


What came first? The Saradomin or the Law altar? Law altar came first.

Actually i don't believe we have a date for the creation of the altars.

23-Jun-2014 02:27:37

Half Centaur
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Cthris said :
Half Centaur said :
....except the law altar was created before Saradomin's arrival on Gielinor...


Soooo....

Yeah....


What came first? The Saradomin or the Law altar? Law altar came first.

Actually i don't believe we have a date for the creation of the altars.

Looking for a direct source now-

But, you know that V7's followers created the altars before the arrival of the gods, as they were able to create the blood altar- which would mean passing through the Zarosian empire.

The Stone of Jas went from Guthix's hands- to the Rune essence mind- to V7's hands (likely sent to Lunar isle for a time)- to the Kethsians (those who walk a higher astral path)- to the Dragonkin (most likely kept in Morytania)- to Zamorak, and then, eventually, Saradomin's hands, starting the god wars- after the god wars the stone was held in Guthix's temple throughout the 4th age and most of the 5th, where it was undisturbed, until a certain adventurer found it.

V7 and his followers had to create the altar in either the first age, or the early second. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

23-Jun-2014 02:33:45

Cthris
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Half Centaur said :


Looking for a direct source now-

But, you know that V7's followers created the altars before the arrival of the gods, as they were able to create the blood altar- which would mean passing through the Zarosian empire.

The Stone of Jas went from Guthix's hands- to the Rune essence mind- to V7's hands (likely sent to Lunar isle for a time)- to the Kethsians (those who walk a higher astral path)- to the Dragonkin (most likely kept in Morytania)- to Zamorak, and then, eventually, Saradomin's hands, starting the god wars- after the god wars the stone was held in Guthix's temple throughout the 4th age and most of the 5th, where it was undisturbed, until a certain adventurer found it.

V7 and his followers had to create the altar in either the first age, or the early second.

They may have needed to create some altars in the first age, namely the death altar and the astral. The others could have been made at a later date.

I'm kind of doubtful about the blood one, it could possibly be done with Zaros around or after the fall. Seeing as they needed the blood inspiration. Its also possible Zaros forced them to make one after capturing some, Zaros did have quite a bit of interaction with Barbarians from what we know, and they did manage to travel as far east as the desert.

But not all needed to be created at the same time, it could have been a project preformed over many many hundreds of years.

According to Jack, Saradomin while first stepping into Entrana did not colonize there until a much later date. I was even like "Dafuq what about AOG" and he was like "This is a case of ingame trumping Aog"

This means Entrana was relatively free and could have the altar created at any time.

23-Jun-2014 02:52:27

Half Centaur
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Cthris said :


But not all needed to be created at the same time, it could have been a project preformed over many many hundreds of years.

According to Jack, Saradomin while first stepping into Entrana did not colonize there until a much later date. I was even like "Dafuq what about AOG" and he was like "This is a case of ingame trumping Aog"

This means Entrana was relatively free and could have the altar created at any time.

Oh it was, but perhaps not many ages. (I'd actually say that considering humans were already there when Zaros arrived, that'd be evidence that the Lunar Clan beat him to the area and established the altar already)

I don't think the altars draw on the energy of the gods though is the thing. Saradomin isn't really connected to the Law altar in some way (he could have just as easily been a malevolent criminal god)- it was just a convenient place for him to settle.

The thing about altars and where they're made. Altars draw on the power of the world, drawing the energy from the environment around them. Special places would have to be found to adequately draw the desired energy around the world. Or else, every altar would be like the Ourania altar.

So, for some reason, the lunar clan's seers decided to build the altars where they did, thinking they'd be most effective in those locations to draw on this energy. Saradomin's presence should have no effect whatsoever on the location, as with or without his presence the altar has operated. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

23-Jun-2014 03:07:05 - Last edited on 23-Jun-2014 03:07:51 by Half Centaur

Cthris
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Half Centaur said :
Cthris said :


But not all needed to be created at the same time, it could have been a project preformed over many many hundreds of years.

According to Jack, Saradomin while first stepping into Entrana did not colonize there until a much later date. I was even like "Dafuq what about AOG" and he was like "This is a case of ingame trumping Aog"

This means Entrana was relatively free and could have the altar created at any time.

Oh it was, but perhaps not many ages. (I'd actually say that considering humans were already there when Zaros arrived, that'd be evidence that the Lunar Clan beat him to the area and established the altar already)

I don't think the altars draw on the energy of the gods though is the thing. Saradomin isn't really connected to the Law altar in some way (he could have just as easily been a malevolent criminal god)- it was just a convenient place for him to settle.

The thing about altars and where they're made. Altars draw on the power of the world, drawing the energy from the environment around them. Special places would have to be found to adequately draw the desired energy around the world. Or else, every altar would be like the Ourania altar.

So, for some reason, the lunar clan's seers decided to build the altars where they did, thinking they'd be most effective in those locations to draw on this energy. Saradomin's presence should have no effect whatsoever on the location, as with or without his presence the altar has operated.

I think the elder just chose places they could concentrate on the element at hand very easily, it didn't really matter where they were, seeing as the power came from within the mind.

But yeah Saradomin and his power didn't have anything to do with the creation of the altar.

23-Jun-2014 03:22:44

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