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Deltaslug

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Could over analyze it in a number of ways.

- Creating amulets isn't that hard. But these amulets are a bit more special than others.
Those amulets are on par with the Fury Amulet right?
Master crafters, smiths, and mages were floating around. So there were people who could make them. and making them in bulk is doable.
In addition, we've seen "gods" magically create items. Not just individuals like Saradomin, Armadyl, etc, but also beings like the Mahjarrat.

So Zilyana doing a long distance call to Saradomin requisitioning something, Saradomin having it on hand, and teleporting them in batches (or having mages do it for him) isn't out of the realm of possibility.

The only thing that makes the amulets unique was the ability to influence and listen in on the other factions.
To accidentally get that perk with 1 or 2 amulets? sure. To get an armory full? that might require higher tier magics in enchant.

- Why send them? or who would send them?
Saradomin sending them is obvious: his top general asked for them, he over-analyzed the situation and felt this was the best way to go about it.

Zaros was out of commission at this time.
Brassica, Marimbo, the desert pantheon wouldn't have had a reason to get involved.
Seren certainly would not have gotten involved.
Zamorak might have done it to create a chaotic situation to test his army, but ... given the stakes ... it wouldn't be the best tactical decision.
Bandos probably wouldn't have been clever enough to come up with the tactic. (not his style)
Armadyl certainly would not have sent it to Saradominist forces at this stage, unless you consider an error in routing the delivery. But still, the method used by the amulets doesn't reflect his personality.

I do agree that Sliske doing this is possible. It'd create chaos. He was still Zarosian at the time. and he did the acts to get Nex released (heck, this may have been a prelude to keep everyone distracted).

24-Feb-2017 06:39:24

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I still think Sara's the clearest candidate here, but I was thinking Sliske could be pretty likely too: he'd have a motive (clearing out the upper level of the GWD so that he might safely stage a Nex breakout) -- and, crucially, he'd have a method . He's no stranger to powerful pieces of equipment, what with the Barrows sets being what they are, and while their old Lore has it that they were old artefacts he collected over the years, were they all necessarily things he'd collected? I mean... Linza the Disgraced, excellent smith, oh hey, how convenient it is that he collected that magic warhammer shaped like an anvil back in Ghorrock in the Second Age? Yeah, bit too convenient.

Out-of-universe, it's likely for little reason other than being appropriate and looking cool. But in-universe, it might suggest that either he has some way of making magical armour like that, or some way of obtaining them custom-made -- and amulets would hardly be a stretch from that.

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24-Feb-2017 16:19:20

Zulkir

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It's so easy to blame your shortcomings onto Sliske, isn't it?

A lot of histories events could be explained by "Sliske did it!" But as we saw from the betrayal, Sliske truly isn't responsible for everything, this looks like a clear case of trying to pin the blame on the red herring.

Accept that Saradomin can do, has done, and will continue to do wrong. This being one of those times. Probably.

As if a god like him wouldn't try and interfere in a war, Bandos saw it in him, and this is the only way Saradomin could participate without outright being discovered. Who would notice three amulets? Just three small amulets. Bandos did the same with Zanik in the future and Guthix didn't awaken from that. Could it be where Bandos got the idea from I wonder?

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24-Feb-2017 17:12:55 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2017 18:27:44 by Zulkir

Hazeel

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Zulkir said :
Saradomin couldn't set foot on Gielinor, But you've only broken a rule if you're caught, right?

This is the third age, what are you talking about? Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

24-Feb-2017 17:37:16

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Zulkir said :
It's so easy to blame your shortcomings onto Sliske, isn't it? [...] Accept that Saradomin can do, has done, and will continue to do wrong. This being one of those times.

This seems a little uncalled for. Not everyone who's discussing this is trying to explain away every bad thing Saradomin's ever done (and ooh boy, you could fill a book with 'em). Just discussing alternate possibilities, that's all.

However, I will restate my view that Saradomin's the most likely candidate, and I'll explain it a little more. Not everything is a lie covering up a web of mysteries -- sometimes things can just be taken at face value. This is perfectly within Saradomin's capability and personality. So, Occam's Razor. It's the simplest explanation. And it fits. So why not?

But the Sliske interpretation is fun to consider, at least in my opinion. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate with it, because having it be true would be... honestly kind of pointless. But as I said, he has a motive and a method. It's interesting to think about, even if it's most likely not true.

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24-Feb-2017 17:47:36 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2017 17:48:23 by Questcaping

Zulkir

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Hazeel said :
Zulkir said :
Saradomin couldn't set foot on Gielinor, But you've only broken a rule if you're caught, right?

This is the third age, what are you talking about?

He couldn't set foot or influence* That clear things up?

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24-Feb-2017 17:57:10

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Zulkir said :
He couldn't set foot or influence* That clear things up?

This was the Third Age -- no edicts yet. Saradomin was influencing and setting foot all over the place as he pleased.

Unless you're saying something else?

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24-Feb-2017 18:01:36

Hguoh

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Questcaping said :
Zulkir said :
He couldn't set foot or influence* That clear things up?

This was the Third Age -- no edicts yet. Saradomin was influencing and setting foot all over the place as he pleased.

Unless you're saying something else?

I believe Lethal is referring to the potential to escalate if Saradomin intervened. If Sara were to intervene and said intervention was detected by the other gods involved, they'd in turn intervene.

At best, the situation escalates dramatically. At worst, you'd end up with open combat between gods. This effectively restricts the gods to rather indirect and inconspicuous methods of aiding their followers in the GWD if anything at all.

24-Feb-2017 18:09:44

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Hguoh said :
I believe Lethal is referring to the potential to escalate if Saradomin intervened. If Sara were to intervene and said intervention was detected by the other gods involved, they'd in turn intervene.

At best, the situation escalates dramatically. At worst, you'd end up with open combat between gods. This effectively restricts the gods to rather indirect and inconspicuous methods of aiding their followers in the GWD if anything at all.

Hm. While I'm not sure this is what Lethal meant (note the "on Gielinor" part of that post), this is absolutely something to consider regardless. Yeah, this is a firm point in favour of the "Saradomin did it" argument -- for discussion's sake, even though I don't think there's much reason to believe it was anyone else.

Saradomin's still tentatively allied with the Armadylean and Bandosian forces up on the surface, after all. Directly intervening in a fight against them would shatter the illusion of trust. Yes, Bandos would probably be happy about this. More division, more war, fun fun! Armadyl, on the other hand, might get it into his bird brain that Saradomin might not be altruistically interested in promoting justice and order, and just after this weapon for his own side.

Saradomin needs them fighting with him. Can't risk anything more than just three amulets.

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24-Feb-2017 18:22:40

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Deltaslug said :
Bandos probably wouldn't have been clever enough to come up with the tactic. (not his style)

Are we talking about the one god who managed to subvert the edicts, using an elaborate strategy involving false dreams, luring people to other planes and possession amulets?

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24-Feb-2017 19:28:02

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