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Summerleaf
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Swolllliosis said :
this travesty of a tier list



*looks for any attempt made by anyone else*

*can't find one*

*admits that this is flawed, but is actively seeking assistance from other people for correction*



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As per usual, I agree with most of what Hguoh said on the previous page.

22-Apr-2017 05:14:00 - Last edited on 22-Apr-2017 05:15:51 by Summerleaf

Questcaping
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Would like to bring up again that the Dragonkin Tarshak was able to be an even match for V even before besting him with the Elder Mirror -- even with no elder artefacts, it's reasonable to assume they were on the same level.

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22-Apr-2017 07:48:16

AesirWarrior
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Hguoh said :
Raleirosen said :
Were the Dragonkin not affected by the maze? Obviously they're not gods, but it's hard to believe Sliske would overlook such an important detail.

The maze removed divinity/divine power and was isolated from the rest of the plane's anima. The Dragonkin are not divine and do not have a connection to the anima (*cough* Vorago *cough*) and are therefore unaffected by the maze.

Their power comes from the Stone (well, they'd say it IS the stone, but you know... semantics), so you could argue it is divine. The Maze could also have severed their connection to it temporarily (though maybe they're too mad for that to be tthe case). -
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22-Apr-2017 21:41:33

AesirWarrior
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Swolllliosis said :


I agree with him. Dragonkins are way too high on this travesty of a tier list. Any mortal with an elder instrument can kill a higher tier god, e.g., Zamorak -> Zaros, Bandos - > Jodudu Otaku. You give the dragonkin too much credit.

Bandos didn't use an elder artifact, Jododu's body was just drained of all power. He used everything he got to protect the planet, which means he had nothing left to protect himself.

I kind of like the contrast of Jododu's mortal-like body and Bandos' indestructability in the face of meteor armaggedon. It's two very different ways to use god- like power.

Questcaping said :
Swolllliosis said :
As for Nex, we can actually kill her >_>. No way she is that high up.

Empowered Nex, though? She can't be killed by the World Guardian alone (ie. hasn't been soloed yet ).

I think Tier 7 is about the highest for what the World Guardian could kill alone (like the Bandos Avatar in Chosen Commander, a very weak Tier 7). Regular Nex would be about there. Nex:AOD I'd give a Tier 6 fighting-wise in terms of fighting her.


Well... we couldn't even kill the Bandos Avatar. Combat lvl aside, which is primarily a gameplay mechanic, that thing was virtually indestructible. We had to use a Deus Ex Machina crossbow to kill it. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

22-Apr-2017 22:31:16

Hguoh

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AesirWarrior said :
Hguoh said :
Raleirosen said :
Were the Dragonkin not affected by the maze? Obviously they're not gods, but it's hard to believe Sliske would overlook such an important detail.

The maze removed divinity/divine power and was isolated from the rest of the plane's anima. The Dragonkin are not divine and do not have a connection to the anima (*cough* Vorago *cough*) and are therefore unaffected by the maze.

Their power comes from the Stone (well, they'd say it IS the stone, but you know... semantics), so you could argue it is divine. The Maze could also have severed their connection to it temporarily (though maybe they're too mad for that to be tthe case).

The biggest issue I have with the Kin losing their power is that it means Jas gave a sentient mortal life form a technique that can annul elder god magic. Considering she's still not sure if sentient life should continue to exist, I really hope that the leader and wisest of the elders would not do something so... thoughtless.

23-Apr-2017 01:40:29

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Hguoh said :
The biggest issue I have with the Kin losing their power is that it means Jas gave a sentient mortal life form a technique that can annul elder god magic. Considering she's still not sure if sentient life should continue to exist, I really hope that the leader and wisest of the elders would not do something so... thoughtless. If the Dragonkin were indeed drained as the false users were powered down, that wouldn't need to have any input from or blowback on Jas. The relationship between the gods and the Stone is being affected; nothing to do with Jas or Sliske.

If instead the kin were just powered down the same as the gods, I doubt Jas or the Elders were giving up a "technique" that could be used against them. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

23-Apr-2017 01:59:27

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Raleirosen said :
If the Dragonkin were indeed drained as the false users were powered down, that wouldn't need to have any input from or blowback on Jas. The relationship between the gods and the Stone is being affected; nothing to do with Jas or Sliske.

Except that the kin's power is directly related to the curse Jas placed upon them. A curse that inflicts maddening pain on them both when the stone is being used and for as long as a being still possesses the stone power they gained. In order for the Kins' curse to have reduced its pull, that would mean that Sliske would have had to have temporarily removed most of the Stone power from each of the gods present who had ever used the stone.

This not only does not make sense because at least one Dragonkin still was driven into a rage (one that was presumably a Dactyl, considering the rest of the Kin present, and they resist the curse better than most), but also doesn't make sense since we've seen that removing the Stone's power from somebody causes immense pain or death in Hero's Welcome.

Raleirosen said :
If instead the kin were just powered down the same as the gods, I doubt Jas or the Elders were giving up a "technique" that could be used against them.

In order to power down the kin, you need to affect their curse. In order to affect their curse, you need to affect Jas's power. And in order to affect Jas's power, you'd need to be able to affect elder god magic.

23-Apr-2017 02:57:03

Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
In order for the Kins' curse to have reduced its pull, that would mean that Sliske would have had to have temporarily removed most of the Stone power from each of the gods present who had ever used the stone. Removing the Stone's power wouldn't have any direct impact on the curse itself. And that's effectively what happened anyway. Either the powering down -- the removal of the Stone's power -- affected the gods' relationship with the Stone, or for some reason it had nothing to do with it.
Hguoh said :
This not only does not make sense because at least one Dragonkin still was driven into a rage (one that was presumably a Dactyl, considering the rest of the Kin present, and they resist the curse better than most), but also doesn't make sense since we've seen that removing the Stone's power from somebody causes immense pain or death in Hero's Welcome. I know; this is a bigger issue with the theory than the following...
Hguoh said :
In order to power down the kin, you need to affect their curse. In order to affect their curse, you need to affect Jas's power. And in order to affect Jas's power, you'd need to be able to affect elder god magic. You're jumping to conclusions; we don't know what Jas' goals were in supporting Sliske, so calling her actions "thoughtless" is premature. And if the maze affected the Dragonkin that doesn't necessarily mean Sliske had direct control over this power, or that it could be used against the Elders themselves. I would liken it to the United States military giving a single M16 to some primitive isolated tribe in South America; ultimately a single rifle (especially in the hands of a relative insect) can't be a threat against the entire armed forces. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

23-Apr-2017 03:17:46 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2017 03:24:25 by Raleirosen

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