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Androme

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Lord Drakan said :


As for the Temple Knights... I'm rather miffed about this. They don't appear for almost a decade (we last saw them in RotM, excepting Sir Owen, who appeared in his own quest in 2013), we still don't have the rank of Acolyte, and then... this. And there isn't even any post-quest dialogue with Tiffy, Amik, Silif or Savant. :|

I completely agree with this. I could've seen this making sense if the "infiltration and betrayal" happened within a few years or at most a few decades after supposedly joining Saradomin, but the notion that this Zarosian demon faked defecting to Saradomin, and then spent the next 5000 years slowly but surely ensuring the Temple Knights remained Zarosian in secret, right under Saradomins nose? This is more of an asspull as opposed to a "cool revelation".

21-Apr-2021 23:24:07

Hguoh

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Androme said :
Lord Drakan said :


As for the Temple Knights... I'm rather miffed about this. They don't appear for almost a decade (we last saw them in RotM, excepting Sir Owen, who appeared in his own quest in 2013), we still don't have the rank of Acolyte, and then... this. And there isn't even any post-quest dialogue with Tiffy, Amik, Silif or Savant. :|

I completely agree with this. I could've seen this making sense if the "infiltration and betrayal" happened within a few years or at most a few decades after supposedly joining Saradomin, but the notion that this Zarosian demon faked defecting to Saradomin, and then spent the next 5000 years slowly but surely ensuring the Temple Knights remained Zarosian in secret, right under Saradomins nose? This is more of an asspull as opposed to a "cool revelation".

I mean, it works somewhat well for something that probably wasn't planned from the beginning. Each of their known operations can be construed in retrospect as aiding or preserving Zarosian loyalists, impeding Zamorakians, eliminating threats to eventual Zarosian control, or some combination of these.

It also explains why the seven priestly warriors, a group of powerful and notedly Saradominist temple knights, were made to use a Zarosian blood magic ritual that practically seemed to necessitate their death or corruption.

All in all, it does well to explain the dishonorable aspects of the Temple Knights. Especially given that they seem to have mostly become active after Saradomin was banished from Gielinor and couldn't supervise them anymore, followed by a sudden cessation after Saradomin returned and could look over their shoulders again.

22-Apr-2021 00:03:15

Androme

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Sure, there are aspects of it which works. It's not completely unthinkable. But I still think it's largely an asspull.

As for the Edicts, I thought the ritual was Guthixian, where do we get the information that it's Zarosian?

22-Apr-2021 08:37:35

Hguoh

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The Edicts were Guthix's work. The Salve barrier, however, was revealed to be a 'dark, sacrificial blood magic ritual,' in the Blood of the Covenant lore book. Given that Zarosians and Zamorakians are the major practitioners of blood magic, people assumed at the time of River of Blood's release that Saradomin and his forces had acquired the ritual amongst other Zarosian tech/magic during the conquest of Zarosian lands after Zamorak's coup. Now though it seems evident that the ritual was provided by Veilinius and that he was likely deliberately trying to eliminate Saradominist loyalists from the ranks of the Temple Knights whilst simultaneously neutering a significant portion of Zamorakian forces/traitors to the Zarosians.

22-Apr-2021 12:41:40

Androme

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Sorry I meant to say I thought that the Salve Barrier was Guthixian, not the Edicts, the Edicts was obviously Guthix. Don't we discover this when figuring out how to strengthen the barrier? Don't we use a Guthix balance potion amongst other things?

22-Apr-2021 15:34:20

Hguoh

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The guthix balance potion is so named not because Guthix had a hand in making in but rather because a guthixian nature spirit aided Ivandis Seergaze in its development as an attempt to halt or undo his descent into vampirism. It is honestly just a potion designed to be antivampyrric in nature. We utilize a perfected version of the potion (a recipe Seergaze and the spirit hypothesized would work but couldn't make since they thought all the blister wood trees were destroyed) during River of Blood to strengthen the barrier, but it was not initially a part of it.

The initial renewal of the Salve's effect only required rune or pure essence and Drezel (presumably any descendant of the priestly warriors would do as their blood was used in the ritual).

22-Apr-2021 20:18:49 - Last edited on 22-Apr-2021 20:19:45 by Hguoh

Caden Gard

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Hguoh said :
Androme said :
Lord Drakan said :


As for the Temple Knights... I'm rather miffed about this. They don't appear for almost a decade (we last saw them in RotM, excepting Sir Owen, who appeared in his own quest in 2013), we still don't have the rank of Acolyte, and then... this. And there isn't even any post-quest dialogue with Tiffy, Amik, Silif or Savant. :|

I completely agree with this. I could've seen this making sense if the "infiltration and betrayal" happened within a few years or at most a few decades after supposedly joining Saradomin, but the notion that this Zarosian demon faked defecting to Saradomin, and then spent the next 5000 years slowly but surely ensuring the Temple Knights remained Zarosian in secret, right under Saradomins nose? This is more of an asspull as opposed to a "cool revelation".

I mean, it works somewhat well for something that probably wasn't planned from the beginning. Each of their known operations can be construed in retrospect as aiding or preserving Zarosian loyalists, impeding Zamorakians, eliminating threats to eventual Zarosian control, or some combination of these.

It also explains why the seven priestly warriors, a group of powerful and notedly Saradominist temple knights, were made to use a Zarosian blood magic ritual that practically seemed to necessitate their death or corruption.

All in all, it does well to explain the dishonorable aspects of the Temple Knights. Especially given that they seem to have mostly become active after Saradomin was banished from Gielinor and couldn't supervise them anymore, followed by a sudden cessation after Saradomin returned and could look over their shoulders again.
I don't have supporting material atm, but the whole of the Archaeology skill is full of references to double agents of all kinds throughout the factions. (Continued) [Graphics] Drivers Wanted.

20-May-2021 05:33:51

Caden Gard

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Some elements of lore also support the idea that Zarosian agents are the most capable of all the factions of acting alone for Extremely Long assignments. One of the Achievements points to the "Silhouette" group, which with the new Reiniger notes, is simply tripled. So the (Edit: White Knights, not) Temple Knights, bereft of Saradomin during the Edicts, were the biggest and juciest targets, with lots of warm bodies and bureaucracy to use as camouflage. [Graphics] Drivers Wanted.

20-May-2021 05:38:30 - Last edited on 20-May-2021 05:41:41 by Caden Gard

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