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Eridyn
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Very interesting read; I'm looking forward to the discussions on it, and if it matches any future content.
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27-Mar-2015 23:35:04

Nolhiir
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Very good read. Though a thought occured to me.
You mentioned that elder artefacts could be a way for the elder gods to increase the anima of a planet. In this case, the Stone of Jas could greatly increase Gielinor's anima.
Consider, then, that a tier 1 god can create life (crafting sentient anima). Could it be possible that they're slowly trying to build up enough power to make another elder god?

The Imcando dwarfs would have had an unusual understanding of the anima mundi, if your shield speculation is true.

EDIT: Perhaps you should include something about how Nomad cheated death...?
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28-Mar-2015 20:00:05 - Last edited on 29-Mar-2015 15:20:08 by Nolhiir

Miseryoflife
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Interesting theory. My own personal theory is that anima is akin to coal or whatever fuel you like and magic is akin to electricity. I think that mortals only naturally hold anima within them and no magic (for this think of mortals as unmined natural resources). While Gods from tier 7 to tier 3 hold only magic (think of them as the electricity in a power grid.) . This is what makes mortal magic different from God magic. Gods don't have to go through the process of converting anima to magic as they have already done it. A tier 2 god gains the ability to convert a planet's anima in to magic which they can store within themselves (think of them as an electrical grid which can store any unused energy for later use). Finally Tier 1 Gods are tricky as we don't know much about them but I think they are pretty much the same as tier 2 gods but on a much more massive scale.

My theory is still rough with at least a few holes in it. If anyone feels like helping me fill them in it would be appreciated.
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28-Mar-2015 22:25:05

Sliske
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I unfortunately am a bit pushed for time, but I'll try to go through my concepts on the anima and god sections at least.

If we look at SoJ, and how it changes the lifeless Rock around it into stores for elemental energy, it seems odd that small rocks of supposedly anima store are able to hold energy, while we are entirely unable to.

As you say, magic is fueled by anima. This would imply to me less that this power is held in anima, and more that anima is converted to said energy. This would then imply that there is a seperate type of 'refined' anima, which is what is magic. This would then mean that rune stones are magic holds, holds for refined magic. This means there is some process, related to the elder gods, that makes matter able to hold refined anima.

This is then what makes me believe beings consist not only of anima and mind, but also of this 'hold', the capability to store refined anima. Something about worlds, worlds with high magical content at least, leads to some beings gaining this 'hold'. Humans however, coming from a magicless world (notably still possibly with anima however), have not developed this magic hold portion of their being.

What the stone does, and seemingly other elder artifacts, is increases and fills this 'hold' in beings. Zamorak is a prime example of this. In BoL, he loses his tier due to the expenditure and loss of his energy in his hold. He cannot gain it back until the heist, in which he fills up his current 'hold' again. Unless you are a tier 2 God, you cannot replace energy in your hold without an elder artifact, thus Sliske's 'addiction'. This is also what differentiates gods to mortals. They become entirely holds and mind, losing what little anima they may have. The lunar individuals had brief exposure to he stone, giving them this hold, and thus able to use magic without rune holds. They are still for the most part anima though.

Alas I am out of time, but I will continue later :) . Good thread regardless!
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29-Mar-2015 11:24:37 - Last edited on 29-Mar-2015 15:04:29 by Sliske

Sliske
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To expand on the concept above of anima, mind and store, I think the Mahjarrat are an interesting case.

We know that they require a certain 'energy', not accessible in Gielinor, in order to live. This thus is clearly not anima, else there wouldn't be an issue. It also goes to putting aside 'elements' and 'energy'. While Mah is throwing about 'energy' left right and centre on Freneskae, Gielinor does not have energy floating about, only in artifacts. The energy is simply able to manipulate elements, it is not actually the elements.


'...they are pale imitations of Zaros and myself, their bodies not even formed entirely of crystal. They are a waste of what little energy she clings to.' - Seren Memorium Crystal 2

This crystal is interesting, as it gives indication as to the makeup of a Mahjarrat. Their crystal, perhaps the one in their forehead, is the container of their 'energy', their non-anima component. The part which links them to what a god is. It also appears Mah has a limited amount of energy herself. With no Anima to convert, she is stuck to slowly decay, unable to fill her void.

Zamorak no longer has his crystal as his entire being is now a hold, rather than a small portion.

As a small aside, to create a new Mahjarrat it appears you need two parts: The transfer of Anima, as is usual in life (reproduction), but also enough energy to fill their void with, else it will be a stillborn. Their very being relies on this energy, likely due to them being directly created with it as part of them.

'For such times, I taught the tribes how to drain some of her energy and use it create more of their kind' -Seren memory 4 (from Fren).
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29-Mar-2015 16:01:25 - Last edited on 29-Mar-2015 16:06:49 by Sliske

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