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BlaivSiocled

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The Mather1 said :
It's not Latin though. Latin used the letter V for both V and U sounds, while Vampyric has a letter for each.


Whilst the Romans didn't have separate "V" and "U", the ISO basic Latin alphabet does. Classical Latin lacks "J" as well. No form of Latin (at least from the "Latin alphabets" page on W*kiped*a exactly fits the Vampyric alphabet, as it lacks only "Y" and "Z".

Regardless of this, it is clearly derived from the modern English usage of the Latin alphabet. My point wasn't to say "Vampyric is how Romans wrote, but with different shapes." It was to say "Vampyric is based off the same alphabet as Common, but with different shapes."

03-May-2016 14:43:27

William Witt
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Haven't read your whole thread; Have to be going somewhere, but just thought I'd comment on your speculation that the common tongue originated from Teragard.

Going by one part of the novels, this is probably not the case. This was in Return to Canifis, I think, but there's a part where an unfamiliar language is used. While the text doesn't actually write out any words of the language for the reader, it's explained that it's the language of the priests of Entrana, and that it was the language that Saradomin spoke when he first came to Gielinor, and that he prefers to hear prayers made in his own language. Theodore, as a Knight of Falador, knows a little of the language himself.

So Saradomin's language, which he spoke when he first came here, is distinct from the common tongue. Whatever this language is, it may be reasonable to imagine that it might be the language of Teragard (and/or of New Domina, perhaps).

Going slightly off topic into speculation of my own that I've had for some time - It does seem, from the sounds of it, to be a liturgical language - Similar to the role of Latin in the Roman Catholic Church.

And Latin in the RuneScape multiverse is the Infernal tongue...

...And what we've heard of the "Schism" does sound an awful lot like the rift that hobgoblin geomancer encountered in that Lores and Histories story (and possibly also like the rift/Daemonheim as described ingame)....
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03-May-2016 16:31:03

Rondstat

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BlaivSiocled said :
Finally, the clan symbols are written larger than other letters (like the difference between "C" and "c" ) in the example sentence. The is most noticeable comparing the "d" in old with the "e" in very.

So it's more complex than I remembered. I'm glad I dug for it. :)


This is VERY interesting. I had heard nothing about this.

So it functions like an alphanumeric code? While this is probably just a solution to render it somewhat easier for devs to create vampyric banners and text, it also presents some interesting linguistic choices. If pronunciation is entirely dependent on context, it would seem to indicate that the characters themselves are not particularly linked to specific sounds - like when one uses an ideographic alphabet to write phonetically.

William Witt said :
So Saradomin's language, which he spoke when he first came here, is distinct from the common tongue. Whatever this language is, it may be reasonable to imagine that it might be the language of Teragard (and/or of New Domina, perhaps).


I think the only phrase in 'ancient Saradominist' that we ever hear in game is Mahey'ish Medron . I'm inclined to think, just because of our ability to communicate with early Gielinorians and read Robert's works (though it may just be game mechanics) that 'Common' is actually the language of Teragard, and ancient Saradominist is in fact newer, perhaps from New Domina, and just appeared ancient to followers just learning the storied speech of a god.

Regardless, I think the Common writing system is from Teragard. As far as I know, we've never seen or heard of a unique writing system for Icyene/ancient Saradominist. That said, I also take the view that Fremennik came from a realm in the human diaspora, rather than Teragard itself, so they may have already been speaking/writing a corrupted/evolved form of their language.

09-May-2016 19:38:49 - Last edited on 09-May-2016 19:39:51 by Rondstat

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A few more thoughts based on recent observations:

So, the Barrows are full of odd symbols, all aglow with Sliske juice. But the *ahjarrat characters only appear on the Barrow Mounds themselves, on centrally located stones standing taller than those surrounding them. These are headstones, inscribed with the names of these warriors.

We then look at its use on Viggora's throne, and our own familiarity with it. Or its much more recent use in Ormod's manse, or in ritual circles absolutely everywhere. It seems, in the late 2nd and through the 3rd age, this writing system became MUCH more common, to the point that it very actively survives to this day.

Here's my headcanon: The Zarosian Empire was founded with Infernal as its native tongue, and the Common alphabet as its writing system, as a concession to the humans who formed the bulk of its subjects. As the Empire waned and Zaros' iron grip weakened, more Mahjarrat became independent, developing their own [ritual] magics, gathering their own followers, utilizing their own language. Zamorak's coup came at an already-fractious moment in the Empire, and as a result, the Mahjarrat language lived on in many of the human groups later absorbed by both Zamorakian and Saradominist factions. While it had mostly died out (with the majority of the armies) by God War's end, it is still kept alive through Ritual Magic.

I recently did some Occult floors. The variety in writing is far richer than I remembered, and really toes the line between Mahjarrat and Drakkerkin. My theory: Newly born Mahjarrat attempted to copy Drakkerkin text from the many artifacts left on Freneskae, and this approximation of their symbols became the Mahjarrat writing system. (cont)

09-May-2016 20:10:06 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2016 21:04:41 by Rondstat

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Bilrach, mentally unsound and already adopting a Drakkerkin symbol as his personal insignia, becomes more warped by both the power of the rift and the chaotic Dragonkin magics ensconcing him, the deeper he excavates Daemonheim. He attempts to create his own, pure language, from both the remnants he finds and the insights from the voices in his head. This is a hybrid language that is really neither, and that he believes to hold some mystic power, leading to its plastering all over the Occult floors.

09-May-2016 20:12:54

Rondstat

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After a closer look at the scroll in Death's Office, I realized it is NOT in fact latin, but rather a lorem ipsum. And I feel stupid.

The question remains - is this a hastily implemented detail meant to give the impression of Infernal, or a hastily implemented detail meant to sit entirely outside of lore?

19-May-2016 02:06:49

Crow Crimson

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Rondstat said :
After a closer look at the scroll in Death's Office, I realized it is NOT in fact latin, but rather a lorem ipsum. And I feel stupid.

The question remains - is this a hastily implemented detail meant to give the impression of Infernal, or a hastily implemented detail meant to sit entirely outside of lore?


Apparently Challenge Mistress Fara's list is also lorem ipsum.
And I believe (and I may be wrong) the notes on the walls of banks are also lorem ipsum.

So probably not canon to lore. :)
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19-May-2016 04:09:00

Rondstat

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Finally did Gower Quest, and I noticed writing on the Zaros (Sueros) model. It was hard to make out, though, couldn't tell if it was wizard script or something unique.

Also, somewhat disappointed at the complete lack of writing in the Arc. Also the scarcity of lore (but that's another issue...)

07-Oct-2016 17:04:19

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