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2023

Iceman3317

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Armadyl did not start the war with Bandos. Bandos built his tower and was hell bent to cause a war. Armadyl stood in his path because no other god was going to. In the cutscene, BANDOS built his tower first. Armadyl already knew his plans, so Armadyl stepped in.

If it wasn't for Armadyl, Saradomin's capitol cities would have been decimated. And yet Saradomin did not show his face once.

Armadyl doesn't like Zamorak, because he is a threat to peace. Zamorak wants to cause chaos and Armadyl doesn't.

Armadyl did not take the divine power from Bandos, otherwise he would have risen a tier of god hood, but he chose not to.

If you want peace, you have to be willing to fight for it and preserve it. Just because Armadyl wants peace, that doesn't mean he isn't going to fight.

And as far as I know, the Aviansies are no longer endagered as there were far more left than he originally thought. Hell, they had thousands of years to reproduce, are you seriously going to tell me they didn't regain numbers then?

If that was the case, humans would be extinct too. Come the Sixth-Age, the world will need the World Guardian.

13-Jan-2017 18:04:03 - Last edited on 13-Jan-2017 18:09:47 by Iceman3317

Nov

2023

Lego Miester

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Ehecoatl said :
Armadyl is not ready, not ready that is to uphold and follow his own ideals. He is not ready to follow his own words and achieve the goal that he has endorsed time and time again. For example during the Bird and the Beast 2nd world event Armadyl had this to say about living in harmony.

"This is not necessarily a dream. It can be achieved through cooperation and mutual respect." However when have we ever seen Armadyl do these things? In fact I have seen quite the opposite from him including the following in no particular order.

1.) During MPD he is arrogant, attacking the other gods whilst seeing himself as the only level headed among them. He tells Zamorak there is no place for his ideals in this world, and that Saradomin is a hypocrite.

2.) Used a divine weapon to begin a war with Bandos and in so doing sent his endangered race to die once again.

3.) Threw a fit upon seeing Zamorak in the maze during Sliske Endgame, threatening to kill him in a fit of rage.

These are the examples I could come up with just off the top of my head, but how are we supposed to believe that Armadyl could ever bring races/gods together? Am I missing something?

You're missing when he desecrated the body of his fallen opponent and nicked his weapon as a trophy. Bandos would be proud.

That and his incredible naievity in thinking "oh, we can just hide the stone again!" Because that worked so well the last TWO TIMES we tried. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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13-Jan-2017 19:40:05 - Last edited on 13-Jan-2017 19:41:24 by Lego Miester

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2023

Lego Miester

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I want to sympathize with Armadyl, I really do. He's probably the most pure hearted and well intentioned god out there, managing to avoid distancing himself from mortals to an extent maybe he can still be reasoned with.

But, like Saradomin, patting him on the head and saying everything he's doing is fine is not the way to do it. I want to slap some sense into him, literally if possible. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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13-Jan-2017 19:46:50

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Wahisietel

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Armadyl may be a good guy and have good intentions.

But he's an idiot and has no idea how to actually be a leader. He continues to make the same mistakes over and over despite claiming he's changed. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

13-Jan-2017 20:20:25

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2020

Questcaping

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Ay, I wouldn't be that harsh. He's definitely changed in some ways. He now builds weapons of mass destruction against Bandos when before he would've tried and failed to debate things ( as if Bandos would actually listen ). And the pre-Sliske's Endgame dialogue -- he's definitely learnt his lesson about putting so many of his people in danger, he says that's the reason behind his decision to bring only a handful of his most loyal followers into the maze (as opposed to Saradomin and Zamorak who bring a load of knights in with 'em).

Even said, I like the guy, but can't bring myself to follow him. He's definitely on an interesting character path, I'm just not sure if I want to be on his side when he goes down that path.

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14-Jan-2017 08:12:42

Ancient Drew

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Armadyl might retain some of his naiveties and his actions can contradict his philosophy and make him look like a hypocrite (all gods, in fact all people are like this), but I will say this. He has balls of steel.

He always looks for a way for diplomacy and peace to save the day, but if everything he tries to achieve this fails like with Bandos, he will stand up to them. He tried this with Zamorak, who just went and blew up the entire continent along with the Anima Mundi and his husband. Of course Armadyl was going to be pissed.

He stood up against Bandos who for all he knew could still have been tier 3. And as for Lego saying Bandos would be proud when Armadyl caved his head in, he actually would. Bandos liked people who had the balls to stand up, like we and Zanik did against his avatar in The Chosen Commander.

He was also ready to have a go at Tuska when she came to eat Gielinor. Naive still, perhaps. Hypocritical, might be depending on how you look at it. But there is no denying that Armadyl sticks to his philosophy as much as he possibly can even in these wartorn times, and he has serious balls. He may not be ready yet, but he soon will be. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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14-Jan-2017 09:29:10

Hazeel

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Ancient Drew said :
He tried this with Zamorak, who just went and blew up the entire continent along with the Anima Mundi and his husband.

Armadyl: Zamorak, I beg of you - the Stone! You know not what you do. You could annihilate Forinthry and all innocent life within!
Saradomin: Do you see now? This is what you truly stand for: the destruction of life. You are nothing but a villain.
Zamorak:Armadyl... Bandos... Hear me. Everything I have done I have done for Gielinor. I seek only to raise up the inhabitants of this world!
Bandos:Hah! The mighty Zamorak, begging on his knees. Pathetic.
Armadyl:Saradomin, does he speak the truth?
Saradomin:He is trying to manipulate you. We each allied to bring this wretched criminal to justice. The Stone is rightfully mine!
Bandos:Haha! Yours? Looks like fair game to me, old man.
Zamorak:You would only seek to rule over this world with its power, the same as Zaros before you. Stagnation and weakness is all that results.
Saradomin:And you believe chaos to be the answer? Would you have this planet ravaged by a never-ending war?
Zamorak:Conflict would be inevitable, of course, but the people of the world would be free. Free to fall and grow, to fail and rebuild-
Saradomin:MADNESS!
Bandos:In another time we might have seen eye-to-eye, Zamorak. I might have even let you fight for me.
Zamorak:Surely you can see the value of my words, Bandos.
Bandos:They are just words. Empty promises and idle chatter. You are a blight that must be eradicated.
Zamorak:Armadyl? Please...
Armadyl:I am sorry, Zamorak. I cannot allow chaos to engulf this world.
Saradomin:The time has come for you to meet your end, usurper.

I bolded their transaction. In order:

-Armadyl asking for diplomacy.
-Zamorak complying and being diplomatic.
-Zamorak asking for compromise and Armadyl refusing him and insisting he die.

So far he has been diplomatic in name only. He also never tried it in God Wars. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

14-Jan-2017 17:37:53 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 17:39:37 by Hazeel

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Hazeel said :
I bolded their transaction. In order:

-Armadyl asking for diplomacy.
-Zamorak complying and being diplomatic.
-Zamorak asking for compromise and Armadyl refusing him and insisting he die.

I don't quite read it that way. This seems to be more like Armadyl making a "lesser of two evils" decision -- with Saradomin and Bandos both firmly positioned against Zamorak, Armadyl can't really go against them. In this situation, diplomacy is useless unless it's unanimous. The three of them defeating Zamorak and ending it there would be the simplest way out; making it two-versus-two would just prolong the conflict.

(Makes me wonder why Bandos didn't think to switch sides and bask in the ongoing war, then...!)

I'll back this up with some Sliske's Endgame dialogue, from Zamorak's own mouth:

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Armadyl: We could have been reasoned with. We would have listened. We would have accepted a graceful surrender.
Zamorak: You...perhaps. You still cling to the mortality of mortals, perhaps trying to convince yourself you are one. But not him. Not Saradomin. He had my death sentence pronounced from the moment our war began. He cannot stand that my message is as powerful as his. That freedom can be just as powerful as his mindless dogma.

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14-Jan-2017 21:01:44

Raleirosen

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Questcaping said :
I don't quite read it that way. This seems to be more like Armadyl making a "lesser of two evils" decision -- with Saradomin and Bandos both firmly positioned against Zamorak, Armadyl can't really go against them. In this situation, diplomacy is useless unless it's unanimous. The three of them defeating Zamorak and ending it there would be the simplest way out; making it two-versus-two would just prolong the conflict. Well, that would just make him a hypocrite and/or coward. If he was truly committed to his values then wouldn't he at least make an attempt to mediate? Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

14-Jan-2017 22:41:22

Ancient Drew

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Raleirosen said :
Questcaping said :
I don't quite read it that way. This seems to be more like Armadyl making a "lesser of two evils" decision -- with Saradomin and Bandos both firmly positioned against Zamorak, Armadyl can't really go against them. In this situation, diplomacy is useless unless it's unanimous. The three of them defeating Zamorak and ending it there would be the simplest way out; making it two-versus-two would just prolong the conflict. Well, that would just make him a hypocrite and/or coward. If he was truly committed to his values then wouldn't he at least make an attempt to mediate? Mediating with three gods who will not listen to anything except what they themselves believe? Armadyl knew they wouldn't listen to pleas of harmony after what was said there, and after living in a harsh area like Abbinah where the aviansie were killing each other for basic commodities, there really was no way he would have sided with Zamorak. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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14-Jan-2017 22:54:54

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