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Hazeel

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Because he didn't give a shit. He had no reason to free the avernic. He operates off of results, not morals, nor his bleeding heart. If he felt that he had something to gain from freeing the avernic, he would have done so. Likewise, Zamorak didn't do it for free either even though he could relate to their plight.

Also, Zaros really liked the Cthonians and how they did things. Their society structure was a huge basis for his own empire. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Sep-2017 18:39:57 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2017 18:41:56 by Hazeel

Raleirosen

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Hazeel said :
Because he didn't give a shit. He had no reason to free the avernic. He operates off of results, not morals, nor his bleeding heart. If he felt that he had something to gain from freeing the avernic, he would have done so. Likewise, Zamorak didn't do it for free either even though he could relate to their plight.

Also, Zaros really liked the Cthonians and how they did things. Their society structure was a huge basis for his own empire. 100% correct, all of the philosophizing on the previous page is nonsense. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

01-Sep-2017 21:45:54

Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
Hazeel said :
Because he didn't give a shit. He had no reason to free the avernic. He operates off of results, not morals, nor his bleeding heart. If he felt that he had something to gain from freeing the avernic, he would have done so. Likewise, Zamorak didn't do it for free either even though he could relate to their plight.

Also, Zaros really liked the Cthonians and how they did things. Their society structure was a huge basis for his own empire. 100% correct, all of the philosophizing on the previous page is nonsense.

How's it nonsense? It's perfectly in line with him operating off results. Through the establishment, growth of Senntisten, and the resulting uplifting of humans, he developed technological and infrastructural superiority to the other territories of the gods that made his conquest of Gielinor almost unstoppable. I will not deny that his actions were entirely self-serving.

And they continue to be. With his realization of what the elder gods were going to do, he came to the realization that only the powerful would be able to survive their reckoning (Memoriam Crystal z12: Deus Ex) and he resolved to forge life to be as strong as possible by manipulating events behind the scenes. The more powerful life he can make this way, the more likely he is to survive after the revision, giving him plenty of reason to do so.

01-Sep-2017 23:29:02

Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
How's it nonsense? It's perfectly in line with him operating off results. Through the establishment, growth of Senntisten, and the resulting uplifting of humans, he developed technological and infrastructural superiority to the other territories of the gods that made his conquest of Gielinor almost unstoppable. I will not deny that his actions were entirely self-serving.

And they continue to be. With his realization of what the elder gods were going to do, he came to the realization that only the powerful would be able to survive their reckoning (Memoriam Crystal z12: Deus Ex) and he resolved to forge life to be as strong as possible by manipulating events behind the scenes. The more powerful life he can make this way, the more likely he is to survive after the revision, giving him plenty of reason to do so. Perhaps calling it nonsense is too harsh. But I feel that citing Zaros' "philosophy" is going two steps too far to answer OP's question; feels less like an explanation and more like an excuse. No offense. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

02-Sep-2017 04:20:20 - Last edited on 02-Sep-2017 04:21:28 by Raleirosen

Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
Hguoh said :
How's it nonsense? It's perfectly in line with him operating off results. Through the establishment, growth of Senntisten, and the resulting uplifting of humans, he developed technological and infrastructural superiority to the other territories of the gods that made his conquest of Gielinor almost unstoppable. I will not deny that his actions were entirely self-serving.

And they continue to be. With his realization of what the elder gods were going to do, he came to the realization that only the powerful would be able to survive their reckoning (Memoriam Crystal z12: Deus Ex) and he resolved to forge life to be as strong as possible by manipulating events behind the scenes. The more powerful life he can make this way, the more likely he is to survive after the revision, giving him plenty of reason to do so. Perhaps calling it nonsense is too harsh. But I feel that citing Zaros' "philosophy" is going two steps too far to answer OP's question; feels less like an explanation and more like an excuse. No offense.

None taken. I just don't see the value in just stating, 'He only cares about results.' Therefore, I go more in depth and seek to answer the question of, 'What results does he want?' And based off his actions and statements, it is abundantly clear that he consistently wants powerful followers who strive to become even more powerful so that he can use them to reach his goals (be they what they are at the time.

Such a goal led him to do many seemingly benevolent things for those who were under his rule and for those who continue to follow him now, but the entire point was to benefit him and help him reach his goals.

02-Sep-2017 10:14:04

Zulkir

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Because that's how most societies work, the strong will dominate and use the weak. Why should Zaros interfere with that?

There's a staggering difference between being abused and treated as a doll by the cosmic mistake that's more or less your "Mother" and a ruling/serving class in society.

Zaros saw it as no great injustice he had to correct in the world, he just didn't like being manhandled by some mentally slow screeching "Thing" that is nothing but living wasted potential.

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02-Sep-2017 12:58:10 - Last edited on 02-Sep-2017 13:06:48 by Zulkir

Padomenes

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Zulkir said :
Because that's how most societies work, the strong will dominate and use the weak. Why should Zaros interfere with that? Well they don't have to be that way and I'm expressing disagreement for the empire system, if 'that's how most things' work then its destruction was surprising wasn't it? Some people in discussions say that most of the current dominant 'real world' systems would resemble the values of the Zarosian system/empire. In Saradomin's society during the 2nd it was not that way and he prohibited 'might is right' or inequality? The godbook hints that the empire may have portrayed Saradomin and Armadyl's empires as 'oppressive'.

Also except there's laws protecting the supposed 'strong' and they are only 'strong' according to the framework of the system, if it weren't then this would allow for heroes from the perceived 'weak' to rise up and take a direct approach to stop them which a Zamorakian society would atleast give the opportunity to do. Otherwise the empire would have arrested them or branded those people as 'terrorists/fugitives'.

This gives an idea, if we were to have a questline where we could travel back in time it could be a 'resistance' based one like the Myreque, but of which religion is unknown. Operating much like an 'Assassin's Creed' thing, struggling in a 'survival of the fittest society with laws'. Did Saradomin attempt to incite any revolutions within the empire besides only Zamorak? Mod Jack said that a large amount of the empire's humans also joined Saradomin's side during the god wars. There was also an attempt at a Saradominist revolution in Morytania with the Myreque to end that relation there.

02-Sep-2017 13:58:55 - Last edited on 02-Sep-2017 14:37:50 by Padomenes

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Raleirosen said :
Hguoh said :
How's it nonsense? It's perfectly in line with him operating off results. Through the establishment, growth of Senntisten, and the resulting uplifting of humans, he developed technological and infrastructural superiority to the other territories of the gods that made his conquest of Gielinor almost unstoppable. I will not deny that his actions were entirely self-serving.

And they continue to be. With his realization of what the elder gods were going to do, he came to the realization that only the powerful would be able to survive their reckoning (Memoriam Crystal z12: Deus Ex) and he resolved to forge life to be as strong as possible by manipulating events behind the scenes. The more powerful life he can make this way, the more likely he is to survive after the revision, giving him plenty of reason to do so. Perhaps calling it nonsense is too harsh. But I feel that citing Zaros' "philosophy" is going two steps too far to answer OP's question; feels less like an explanation and more like an excuse. No offense. ALL of the offense taken. It's called citing your sources. Try it sometime. A

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02-Sep-2017 16:19:37

Hazeel

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Padomenes said :
Zulkir said :
Because that's how most societies work, the strong will dominate and use the weak. Why should Zaros interfere with that? Well they don't have to be that way

Yes they do. It's fundamentally unavoidable. It's just a question of how you allow it to happen. Would you rather the strong achieve their own strength and use it to dominate the weak? Perhaps create a political hierarchy in which the "strong" are predetermined and chosen to dominate the weak? Or maybe a system in which everyone is "equal"...except for the all powerful leader who subjugates them all. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

02-Sep-2017 17:24:10

Padomenes

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Hazeel said :
Padomenes said :
Zulkir said :
Because that's how most societies work, the strong will dominate and use the weak. Why should Zaros interfere with that? Well they don't have to be that way

Yes they do. It's fundamentally unavoidable. It's just a question of how you allow it to happen. Would you rather the strong achieve their own strength and use it to dominate the weak? Perhaps create a political hierarchy in which the "strong" are predetermined and chosen to dominate the weak? Or maybe a system in which everyone is "equal"...except for the all powerful leader who subjugates them all. Or create a society that rewards the good but punishes predatory behaviour in general and kills it off which is what Saradomin aims to do permanently. Seren already having done but in a confined society, Saradomin wants to expand that type of society to encompass all.

If the good/innocent/virtuous person finishes first but the bad/predatory always finishes last then you know you've done it.

The innocent prosper while the predatory suffer immensely or are quickly wiped out to make way for the innocent to live in permanent endless harmony without disruptions. 'The weak' like a bear/porcupine/tortoise constantly wipe out the supposed 'predatory-strong' or avoid them so that nobody is left to dominate them.

In a baboon experiment/observation when all the 'predatory/aggressive' ones became extinct due to a disease, leaving behind the cooperative ones that did not have an instinct to monopolize resources permanent harmony was achieved and there was no more 'competiton for survival'.

02-Sep-2017 18:54:41 - Last edited on 02-Sep-2017 19:05:15 by Padomenes

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