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Uncle Harper
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Anyone ever consider that Sliske is behind this? This is the third chapter in his endgame after all. After the gods the mahjarrat are the biggest threat. Plus we saw in part 2 of engame: kindred spirits, alchemy circles with depictions of mahjarrat in them. Maybe hes planning to weaken them for a reason. Remember this is the final build up before the final show down. Expect something big from sliske here. Hes got nomad, hes got at least a portion of our soul, and now its time to take from the mahjarrat before the final showdown of the gods. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

02-Nov-2016 19:44:40

Zulkir

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Uncle Harper said :
Anyone ever consider that Sliske is behind this? This is the third chapter in his endgame after all. After the gods the mahjarrat are the biggest threat. Plus we saw in part 2 of engame: kindred spirits, alchemy circles with depictions of mahjarrat in them. Maybe hes planning to weaken them for a reason. Remember this is the final build up before the final show down. Expect something big from sliske here. Hes got nomad, hes got at least a portion of our soul, and now its time to take from the mahjarrat before the final showdown of the gods.


I'd prefer it not be. I like Sliske as a villain but I don't want him to be the reason behind everything ever.

In my mind he should be setting up his massive endgame, having no time to do any other shenanigans until the time is right when the eclipse is almost here.

Your idea makes sense, don't get me wrong, but variety is the spice of life, y'know?
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02-Nov-2016 19:52:58 - Last edited on 02-Nov-2016 19:53:43 by Zulkir

Uncle Harper
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Zulkir said :
Uncle Harper said :
Anyone ever consider that Sliske is behind this? This is the third chapter in his endgame after all. After the gods the mahjarrat are the biggest threat. Plus we saw in part 2 of engame: kindred spirits, alchemy circles with depictions of mahjarrat in them. Maybe hes planning to weaken them for a reason. Remember this is the final build up before the final show down. Expect something big from sliske here. Hes got nomad, hes got at least a portion of our soul, and now its time to take from the mahjarrat before the final showdown of the gods.


I'd prefer it not be. I like Sliske as a villain but I don't want him to be the reason behind everything ever.

In my mind he should be setting up his massive endgame, having no time to do any other shenanigans until the time is right when the eclipse is almost here.

Your idea makes sense, don't get me wrong, but variety is the spice of life, y'know?


I agree 100%, however all signs point to it being sliskes doing. Unfortunate but thats reality. Wouldve preferred his be a stand alone quest as opposed to one of the endgame countdown series which pretty guarantees sliskes ultimate involvement.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
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02-Nov-2016 20:09:53

A Mad Hatter
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Uncle Harper said :
Anyone ever consider that Sliske is behind this? This is the third chapter in his endgame after all. After the gods the mahjarrat are the biggest threat. Plus we saw in part 2 of engame: kindred spirits, alchemy circles with depictions of mahjarrat in them. Maybe hes planning to weaken them for a reason. Remember this is the final build up before the final show down. Expect something big from sliske here. Hes got nomad, hes got at least a portion of our soul, and now its time to take from the mahjarrat before the final showdown of the gods.


What if Sliske's master is making their move? They obviously want all of the gods in one spot, so whatever they have planned for the gods is probably going to tick off their followers once word gets out. And since the Mahjarrat make up some very powerful followers of 2 factions so far, getting something of their caliber out of the way would go a long way towards making things easier for the endgame and its aftermath.

Though personally I'm going with either an unbalanced Seren (for those who didn't go through with the rebuilding all the way) or just natural degradation here. It's been who knows how many years since the tribes learned of the ritual, and nothing really lasts forever. Add in a goddess who might not be all there in the head, and that just might speed things up somehow.
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02-Nov-2016 22:15:00

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A Mad Hatter said :
Uncle Harper said :
Anyone ever consider that Sliske is behind this? This is the third chapter in his endgame after all. After the gods the mahjarrat are the biggest threat. Plus we saw in part 2 of engame: kindred spirits, alchemy circles with depictions of mahjarrat in them. Maybe hes planning to weaken them for a reason. Remember this is the final build up before the final show down. Expect something big from sliske here. Hes got nomad, hes got at least a portion of our soul, and now its time to take from the mahjarrat before the final showdown of the gods.


What if Sliske's master is making their move? They obviously want all of the gods in one spot, so whatever they have planned for the gods is probably going to tick off their followers once word gets out. And since the Mahjarrat make up some very powerful followers of 2 factions so far, getting something of their caliber out of the way would go a long way towards making things easier for the endgame and its aftermath.

Though personally I'm going with either an unbalanced Seren (for those who didn't go through with the rebuilding all the way) or just natural degradation here. It's been who knows how many years since the tribes learned of the ritual, and nothing really lasts forever. Add in a goddess who might not be all there in the head, and that just might speed things up somehow.
Well, I think that even if Seren was fully restored, the dark shard may fill her with regret and guilt so much that it might drive her insane. And what if Eluned felt betrayed after sacrificing her, after saying that she didn't want to go?

Personally, I see the best case scenario being that we manage to drain Haluned of all the darkness (there is still some left there), and save the shapeshifters on Tarddiad, so that Seren can be happy. That's why I kept both parts of her out.
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02-Nov-2016 22:33:02

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Now hey that is something, something... Lord of Chaos and Calculation picnic! Oh i wonder what foodstuffs they'll bring! For some reason i'm going loose and tell i'd recommend a whole cake to share with everyone joining, cup of tea for miself but not a single sandwich because they ruin your satchel eitherweither tha ghast rottened it or not.

Edits involved struggling with chat effects and placing couple of letters in right track as the train has tucked quite heavy today...

02-Nov-2016 23:18:13 - Last edited on 02-Nov-2016 23:26:52 by Edcy

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Zulkir said :
Hguoh said :
Hazeel said :
....Sooo....why do you think Seren is in this?


TLW is required, and Seren would otherwise be the only surviving 'child' of Mah left out of the events of the quest if she weren't to show up.

That being said, I have my doubts that Mah or Seren are responsible.


And what makes you doubt it's either?

Only Seren knows the inner workings of the rituals, enough to teach it, and only Mah benefits from the Mahjarrats power being sapped all at once.


Because Mah is still limited to Freneskae (making it very unlikely that she's responsible for things on Gielinor).

Because while Seren made the Rituals, she's had no influence on Mahjarrat biology (hence the unexpected results of performing the Rituals on Gielinor. If she were to alter the Rituals, it should only impact the outcome of any future Rituals rather than any ones performed prior to the alteration (they are instantaneous, not ongoing, processes).

03-Nov-2016 02:35:35 - Last edited on 03-Nov-2016 02:36:09 by Hguoh

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It's clearly Jhallan's fault for being such a terrible sacrifice. We should have sacrificed Lucien instead, and saved the Dragonkin the trouble of killing him. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

03-Nov-2016 13:46:59

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I'm kinda reminded of an old Star Trek episode.

There was a character once who was born on Earth like 5000 years ago. He was human, but virtually immortal.
He lived through the rise of the ancient empires like Rome, he live through the technology age, he changed his identity a lot sometimes becoming a famous person we would know later (like a famous artist or general or king).
Then he got tired of Earth, got in a spaceship and left. He bought a moon/world and lived there on his own except for a robot companion he built.

But at the end of the episode, we learn that because he was living outside of Earth's ecosystem, he was now dying.
True, he had lived for sometime offworld, and would continue to live offworld.
But the fact remained: he was eventually going to die.

Why do I bring this up?
What Seren taught the Mahjarrat was a sort of symbiotic (or parasitic?) cycle. One part of it required Mah.
But for thousands of years, the Mahjarrat have been on Gilienor and doing effectively half the cycle.
On top of that, they've been reducing their own numbers.
And these Mahjarrat in question, were born on Freneskae.

So it's possible that without Mah, the Mahjarrat were doomed. Sort of like what would happen if the Elves were without Seren. And like that character from Star Trek.

Maybe Khazard isn't is as vulnerable as the others because, unlike them, he was born on Runescape. and Moia even less so because she's only 1/2 Mahjarrat. But this could be a stretch.

But, Seren (and Zaros) are creations of Mah and it might be a stretch, but perhaps Seren (and Zaros) could substitute for Mah for the other half of the Ritual.
It might be temporary (A few thousand years perhaps?), but it would give some time to figure out the Mahjarrat problem.

But this ofc assumed all of the remaining Mahjarrat even cared.
You've lived for thousands of years in a system where self-preservation was a means to power and survival.
How many are willing/able to change?

03-Nov-2016 14:31:07 - Last edited on 03-Nov-2016 14:31:32 by Deltaslug

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Uncle Harper said :
Anyone ever consider that Sliske is behind this? This is the third chapter in his endgame after all. After the gods the mahjarrat are the biggest threat. Plus we saw in part 2 of engame: kindred spirits, alchemy circles with depictions of mahjarrat in them. Maybe hes planning to weaken them for a reason. Remember this is the final build up before the final show down. Expect something big from sliske here. Hes got nomad, hes got at least a portion of our soul, and now its time to take from the mahjarrat before the final showdown of the gods.


Why would Sliske be the cause?

Did you think that maybe he's actively aware of the problem, and coming up with his own "outside the box" solution?

And ofc, he doesn't necessarily need to share his solution, assuming it even works in the first place.

Knowing Sliske, AND it worked, he might have fun telling the rest of the Mahjarrat their plight and inevitable end (in a few centuries or millennia at this rate), and say he has a solution to the problem, and then have fun seeing which of his fellow Mahjarrat follow his approach.
How many would do it? How many would outright reject it? How many would try to do it exactly like Sliske did (get a fragment of the player's soul) or try to find a soul they think is more compatible on their own?


This could even explain Sliske's erratic behavior.
How does a person react when you're told you have a set amount of time left?
The 7 stages of grief kicks in.
Sliske only has a few centuries left to have fun? He wouldn't stand for it.
If he was going out, he'd put on the biggest show of his life.
Meanwhile, he'd bargain with anyone for a solution (hence his mysterious master).

03-Nov-2016 14:38:59 - Last edited on 03-Nov-2016 14:43:10 by Deltaslug

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