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Quael
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Maiden China said :
Quael said :
It was stated by Jmods that elder gods CAN revive gods from the dead, it is possible for them. where's that quote?

also, what's their definition of 'revive'? is it still the same person or is it a new person with a body that's as close as an elder god can get to the old god's body?

It would be extremely hard to find a 3 year old quote, you sure you want me to find it for you? This was an answer given when someone asked if they had the ability to revive, and if they can revive Guthix. Answer is no to the Guthix revival, because "Why?" This Quote might have been a VIP Q&A, and it would be somewhere, or nowhere at all.
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10-Feb-2018 14:44:48 - Last edited on 10-Feb-2018 14:49:54 by Quael

Uncle Harper
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I mean, Xau-Tak's reviving people and other "things" so yeah.
#InB4XauIsNotAnElderArgument
#TheSixthElderIsSomethingElse
#TheSixthElderIsAHellYouHaveNotKnown
#AndThisIsXAUTAK! I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

12-Mar-2018 17:08:43

Solmestix
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Uncle Harper said :
I mean, Xau-Tak's reviving people and other "things" so yeah.
#InB4XauIsNotAnElderArgument
#TheSixthElderIsSomethingElse
#TheSixthElderIsAHellYouHaveNotKnown
#AndThisIsXAUTAK!

Well..... he DID apparantly create the Horrors... although that is a Mwanu (Horror) creation story so who tf knows.

12-Mar-2018 20:09:06

Hguoh

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Uncle Harper said :
I mean, Xau-Tak's reviving people and other "things" so yeah.

Not exactly. Xau lured horrors into the ocean. They drowned to death. He twisted their remains into his own designs. They were sent back up to draw more horrors into the ocean.

It's less revival and more along the lines of Dr. Fenkenstrain's necromantic, body part mix-and-match experiments. Not something even remotely needing an elder's power or even the power of the wand of resurrection.

13-Mar-2018 01:49:52

Uncle Harper
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Hguoh said :
Uncle Harper said :
I mean, Xau-Tak's reviving people and other "things" so yeah.

Not exactly. Xau lured horrors into the ocean. They drowned to death. He twisted their remains into his own designs. They were sent back up to draw more horrors into the ocean.

It's less revival and more along the lines of Dr. Fenkenstrain's necromantic, body part mix-and-match experiments. Not something even remotely needing an elder's power or even the power of the wand of resurrection.

I present to you a counter point or three: Rabid Jack, Mi-Gor, Mechanical Murphy. They are more or less the same form just with levels of decay. Rabid Jack may have no decay at all. We'll see. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

13-Mar-2018 15:47:08

Hguoh

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Uncle Harper said :
Hguoh said :
Uncle Harper said :
I mean, Xau-Tak's reviving people and other "things" so yeah.

Not exactly. Xau lured horrors into the ocean. They drowned to death. He twisted their remains into his own designs. They were sent back up to draw more horrors into the ocean.

It's less revival and more along the lines of Dr. Fenkenstrain's necromantic, body part mix-and-match experiments. Not something even remotely needing an elder's power or even the power of the wand of resurrection.

I present to you a counter point or three: Rabid Jack, Mi-Gor, Mechanical Murphy. They are more or less the same form just with levels of decay. Rabid Jack may have no decay at all. We'll see.

Again, that’s nothing necromancy can’t do. Zemouregal brought Arrav back as a zombie with the memories and personality he had in life. Senlitten was brought back as a mummy. And though she initially could not remember much, she’s been steadily regaining her memories. All of Sliske’s main wights appear to have maintained their original minds when they aren’t being bent to his will.

Really, it just seems to be a matter of a powerful/lucky enough necromancer actually wanting their undead creation to retain their memories instead of making a brainless slave.

14-Mar-2018 19:46:51 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2018 19:47:25 by Hguoh

Uncle Harper
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Hguoh said :
Uncle Harper said :
Hguoh said :
Uncle Harper said :
I mean, Xau-Tak's reviving people and other "things" so yeah.

Not exactly. Xau lured horrors into the ocean. They drowned to death. He twisted their remains into his own designs. They were sent back up to draw more horrors into the ocean.

It's less revival and more along the lines of Dr. Fenkenstrain's necromantic, body part mix-and-match experiments. Not something even remotely needing an elder's power or even the power of the wand of resurrection.

I present to you a counter point or three: Rabid Jack, Mi-Gor, Mechanical Murphy. They are more or less the same form just with levels of decay. Rabid Jack may have no decay at all. We'll see.

Again, that’s nothing necromancy can’t do. Zemouregal brought Arrav back as a zombie with the memories and personality he had in life. Senlitten was brought back as a mummy. And though she initially could not remember much, she’s been steadily regaining her memories. All of Sliske’s main wights appear to have maintained their original minds when they aren’t being bent to his will.

Really, it just seems to be a matter of a powerful/lucky enough necromancer actually wanting their undead creation to retain their memories instead of making a brainless slave.

Weve seen beings be resurrected in game. Death resurrects the player during elegy after the bomb explodes. And he also seems to do the same for Zanik. Saradomin does bring back Zilly with the stone. Point being, the forum post asks a question to which the answer is yes. The elders can revive life but they dont seem like they would care to. The stone and other elder artifacts are just tools to make things easier so if the tools can res someone, so could jas. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

15-Mar-2018 13:44:51

Hguoh

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Uncle Harper said :
Weve seen beings be resurrected in game. Death resurrects the player during elegy after the bomb explodes. And he also seems to do the same for Zanik. Saradomin does bring back Zilly with the stone. Point being, the forum post asks a question to which the answer is yes. The elders can revive life but they dont seem like they would care to. The stone and other elder artifacts are just tools to make things easier so if the tools can res someone, so could jas.

Never said that resurrection couldn't happen or that the elders were incapable of it (just that they can't bring back a god anymore than anyone else). I wouldn't say that Death resurrects us though as that implies we properly died and entered the afterlife to be brought back from (it's more like Death just isn't filing our paperwork).

My point was that nothing Xau-Tak has done constitutes resurrection in the slightest. It's all been stuff that powerful necromancy has been capable of performing. So even if we could use resurrection as an indicator of elder god levels of strength (we can't, since a mortal centaur could do it), there's nothing that indicates Xau-Tak is capable of resurrecting someone.

17-Mar-2018 20:42:11

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