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Nick DG
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Ok so I was thinking about this earlier this week and I thought I would see what you guys thought.
I was thinking about a hypothetical theory that would result in a massive change to Gielinor and here it is.
As people may know, the elder god Mah is (was) alive but when the elder gods went to sleep it was thought that she would die.
So what would the world be like if Mah had died?

I think this is an interesting topic because Mah's actions actually reach far into history.

First lets state the obvious, Mah created Zaros, Seren and the mahjarrat (and others but I don't feel they had much influence).

Using that I'll work my way back from the present.

-Without Zamorak ( a mahjarrat) the first world event (sara vs zammy) wouldn't of happened so there wouldn't be a crater (or as big) and lumbridge wouldn't of been damaged.

-Without sliske the would be no 'end game' with the stone of jas on the line.

-There are other things around this time but the major one is without sliske, guthix would still be alive and thus the edicts would still prevent the gods from returning to gielinor.

-With guthix alive there would be no divination and therefore no Invention.

-No lucien to take the stone of jas or staff of armadyl

-without bilrach digging in Daemonheim no dungeoneering.
-no sliske so the barrows brothers aren't enslaved

Now reaching further back

-No zamorak so the wilderness isn't created

-No zaros or zamorak so none of the forces they lead will have come to gielinor

-likewise what is morytania will be a very different place with no vampires werewolves etc.

-no seren so the elves didn't come to gielinor

-likewise the whole stuff with the 'plague' in ardougne didn't happen

-this is a broader point but, the god wars might not have been as devastating without the gods mentioned and wouldn't happen the same

28-Nov-2016 00:42:48 - Last edited on 28-Nov-2016 00:45:16 by Nick DG

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-if the wars hadn't been so bad then guthix might not have awoken and never established the edicts

-(insert stuff here about the mahjarrat in the desert which is lore that I don't know much about)

...Thinks about more changes....
...5 mins later...

-without zamorak there would be no chaos dwarves and the whole episode of things in keldagrim wouldn't happen.

Ok I'm done, this is what I've come up with off the top of my head though I'm sure I've left a lot out.

What do you think Gielinor would be like without Mah?
because through her creation of zaros, seren and the mahjarrat, her influence has been very far reaching.

28-Nov-2016 00:43:02 - Last edited on 28-Nov-2016 00:49:41 by Nick DG

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I feel like Saradomin would have taken Zaros's place as the big Empire builder. He would ally with Armadyl to wipe out Bandos and Loarnab. After that, I'm not sure how he would interact with Armadyl or Tumeken - they would be the only ones left.

There would likely be either war (Saradomin becoming even more power-mad, Armadyl thinking Saradomin is unjust, Tumeken being wary of his advance, or one of them discovering the Stone of Jas) or an uneasy peace. I'm not familiar enough with Tumeken's style of ruling to speculate any further.

Either way, Guthix would probably wake up, see them lording over Gielnor, and banish them.

The God Wars would have been less destructive, and there would be fewer races in Runescape today.
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28-Nov-2016 01:27:33 - Last edited on 28-Nov-2016 01:31:07 by NotFishing

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Mah Dead before the Revision started? I think without Zamorak, it would have been a free for all, right up until Guthix ROFLstomped the lot like in the DoD-Halloween event.

But I think that Mah may have been betrayed by her own creation. Even if only a previous incarnation. I am more worried about a very powerful "Dark lord" to be frank.


I wonder who Icthlarin would have brought in instead of the Mahjarrat? Even without the Zaros someone would have been needed. Or would they? I think Saradomin would have focused on Armadyl. Bandos was nothing if not good at deflecting people from going after him first. And without the duel Zimzam/Sara armies the Desert region may have fought Sara off.

That also assumes there would even be a desert at that point and that Saradomin would not have found himself facing multiple enemies.

Morytania would probably have been consumed by Abyssal demons. Or over run by Werewolves, depending on where they came from.

Elves would still be here thanks to Guthix and probably trying to over run the western reaches of the mainland.

Some other faction would have stepped in for "dark mages" Probably more into necromancy. The Candorian Empire?

No Daemonhiem? That assumes that all of the whispering was down to Zamorak. What if it wasn't? Maybe in this reality, Amascut would have dug down and found....something waiting?

The Dragonkin would still be here. I think they wold be the trigger for the destruction of Forinthry this time.

V would probably be here, assuming the Kin don't eat him yet again :P

I'd worry about Asgarnia without someone to counter balance the Temple Knights. I'd say destruction by civil war and a break up of the country.

All of that is just the tip of the iceberg.
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28-Nov-2016 06:23:07

Mcgruffin

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Guthix may have brought some elves with him but without Seren the majority would stay on their home world. Also they would have a life span closer to humans and crystal singing/crafting would be even less prominent without Seren. I doubt they would have expanded their territory much.

No Zaros means Vampyres would still be uncultured, tribal beasts on Vampyrium and Demons would never have left Infernous with the Cthonians still in charge.

No Curses or Ancient Magiks. NO World Guardian. No clue that the Elder gods exist.

Amascut would not be crazy and devouring souls.
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28-Nov-2016 19:16:15

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No Zaros means no one discovered the Ilujanka.

Without any outside help they would probably completely be wiped out by their predicament and not one person would know about it.

:(

And on that note Hannibus never came to Gielinor, and never bonded with the King Black Dragon.

Wonder how that guy'd be like without ever having met Hannibus.
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28-Nov-2016 19:24:15 - Last edited on 28-Nov-2016 19:25:14 by Gylkra

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Let's see. No Mah means no Seren or Zaros.

No Seren means nobody taught Guthix how to tap into anima for power.

No tapping into Anima for power means Guthix was not t2.

Without being t2, Guthix would be hard pressed to significantly alter lifeforms so most of the guardians of guthix (with the exception of Death) would likely not exist.

No Zaros means that Loarnab basically fills his role. However without the Mahjarrat, the war with the Menaphites would have been very one sided up until Tumeken's sacrifice (unless, of course, the theory about him being an ascended Mahjarrat is true in which case the Menaphite teritory would have been under someone else's rule), and there would have been no Zamorak to depose Loarnab.

With Loarnab alive, there would have been no power vacuum left by his death and thus no God Wars as we understand them.

Furthermore without Seren's shield around Tirannwn as an example and lacking the power bonus of being t2, Guthix would have been hard pressed to act as he has in either the main universe or the DoD universe (he was intending to intervene even before Forinthry was destroyed, as evidenced by the L&H Roots in the Community).

Thus it is entirely possible that a god war would be fought primarily between Guthix and Loarnab (with Saradomin, Armadyl, and Bandos allying up with whom they please). A god war that could be fought all the way to the present day as nobody could intervene to forcefully end it.

Then the player character would be born, grow up, get involved, and stick our nose in everything.

29-Nov-2016 18:34:35

Solanumtinkr

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The gnome would still be here I think that the disasters there would still lead to Hazelmere's death. Especially since he would have to be far more active. He was a Guardian whose main link was through the Sprit trees. He was getting old even for a Gnome and it was time to pass o the torch. I maintain and will always believe that Guthix co-opted us into his Guardians and that as Hazelmere hinted at in While Guthix sleeps, he went to his death knowing we would take his place.

I believe that would have happened instead. Our Guardianship would just run directly through the Anima Mundi instead. It was just time for a more aggressive stance and a human fit the bill for the job ahead. Vorago would have been in for a very nasty shock when confronted with their new family member's race :P
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29-Nov-2016 19:47:25

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