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The Mather1 said :
Without Guthix' T2 powers, there would be nobody to stop Bandos from menacing Gielinor.
He would've warred Gielinor to death like he did Yu'Biusk, awakening the Elder Gods.


Ah, but Bandos was only able to 'menace Gielinor' in part due to the destabilization resulting from the collapse of the Zarosian Empire. Without Zamorak to depose Loarnab, the empire would have remained as a stabilizing factor until Guthix awoke.

At that point, I suspect he'd act much like he did during our God Wars (switching sides in order to extend the fighting for as long as possible.

30-Nov-2016 23:29:23

The Mather1
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Bandos didn't care about the empire. He didn't set his eyes on Gielinor until the 3rd age, because Guthix had been protecting it. And he wasn't drawn in by the power vacuum, but the conflict that it caused.
"Abscondita est in Astra."

01-Dec-2016 00:48:43

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The Mather1 said :
Bandos didn't care about the empire. He didn't set his eyes on Gielinor until the 3rd age, because Guthix had been protecting it. And he wasn't drawn in by the power vacuum, but the conflict that it caused.


Um, that makes little sense to your point either way.

For one, Guthix wasn't even active in the second age (to the point where he was considered by many to only be a rumor) so the idea of Bandos not getting involved due to Guthix protecting the plane is a stretch to say the least.

For two, you say Bandos was drawn in by the conflict the fall of the empire caused. If we assume that is true, than in the absence of said conflict (again, there would be no Zamorak to topple the empire) what exactly would draw him in then?

01-Dec-2016 02:02:52 - Last edited on 01-Dec-2016 02:04:17 by Hguoh

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Hguoh said :
The Mather1 said :
Bandos didn't care about the empire. He didn't set his eyes on Gielinor until the 3rd age, because Guthix had been protecting it. And he wasn't drawn in by the power vacuum, but the conflict that it caused.


Um, that makes little sense to your point either way.

For one, Guthix wasn't even active in the second age (to the point where he was considered by many to only be a rumor) so the idea of Bandos not getting involved due to Guthix protecting the plane is a stretch to say the least.

For two, you say Bandos was drawn in by the conflict the fall of the empire caused. If we assume that is true, than in the absence of said conflict (again, there would be no Zamorak to topple the empire) what exactly would draw him in then?


Bandos arrived on Gielinor during the 3rd age. Was said in his death memories that he was avoiding Gielinor due to Guthix during the first age and Zaros during the 2nd. He only arrived once he stood a chance against the gods remaining.

As for the question on hand, you'd have a DoD scenario. Lorenab would be in control of things, and without Zamorak to betray him, Guthix would've never had any reason to wake up since Forinthry wouldn't have been blown up. Plus we'd have a completely different Guthix in this scenario since we wouldn't have our guthix due to no seren, but we wouldn't have the ruthless drain all the gods of their energy one that DoD has. It'd probably be a middle ground Guthix if for some reason he did awake.
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01-Dec-2016 16:22:19 - Last edited on 01-Dec-2016 16:22:36 by CD_Paladin_C

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There is one world, easy to reach from here, but protected by a powerful guardian. He has seen no need to revisit it in the past, but now he hears mighty cries and the clash of battle coming from it. The other gods have come to that world and are battling over it. There is no sign of the guardian.

Bandos is bored here anyway. He gathers his armies and prepares to conquer Gielinor.

-Bandos' 9th memory.

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The war god points, and ork sergeants herd frenzied goblins into the blades of the Saradominists. Humans and icyene and centaurs may be taller and smarter, but they can still die as easily and the goblins are much more easily replaced.

The goblins do eventually falter, but then he sends in the orks, his heavy infantry, who march over the bodies of their smaller kin to engage the exhausted humans. From the rear lines the ourgs hurl massive boulders into the humans. He has found living siege engines to be far more effective than wooden ones. An hour later his victorious army leads the surviving humans away in chains.

This war has been the perfect test for his breeding program. From the near useless stock of the native Yu'biuskans he has created half a dozen specialised military breeds which gives him a great advantage against the primarily human armies of the other gods. Soon he will rule over two worlds.

-Bandos' 10th memory.

His memories never mention the empire, and with the mention that the other gods' armies were primarily human, it indicates he never fought Zaros' armies.

Now Bandos was at this point tier 3, he didn't get demoted to tier 4 until we defeated his avatar.

This puts him on par with a Seren-less Guthix, and with Bandos' combat expertise, a fight between him and Guthix would then be extremely one-sided.

Likewise a Loarnab with no Nex, and no Mahjarrat, would not stand a chance against his armies.

Cont.
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01-Dec-2016 23:29:17

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Bandos would upon finding Gielinor the first time see another god, the same power as himself, walking its surface. He would undoubtedly challenge this god, and with Guthix' reluctance to use the Stone for power Bandos would win and absorb Guthix' power.

Now this is when something terrifying might occur. Bandos might discover the Stone and use it for himself. And he would quite definitely discover the Sword, and attempt to reforge it.
This leads to the potential of a Bandos at the peak of his powers, wielding two elder artifacts.

But with or without the artifacts, he would set on the greatest opponent he could find; Loarnab.
He would invade Gielinor in full force, now with the World Gate to send his forces through, setting his Ogres and Ourgs upon Loardnab's Vampires and Demons.
With the exception of the dukes and a few of the strongest Tsutsaroth, even the demons would be overpowered would be overpowered by Bandos' specially bred forces. The avernic and lesser Chthonians would be easily mass produced, but when it comes to breeding cannon fodder, Bandos was second to none.
Senntisten would fall and Bandos would absorb Loarnab's power.

Bandos would now have the power of three tier 3 gods surging through him, plus the power of the Stone and Sword. If tier 2 could be attained without attuning to the world's anima, Bandos would reach it. The only gods left who would even think to oppose him; Saradomin and Armadyl, who together had enough trouble with our universe's Bandos.
"Abscondita est in Astra."

01-Dec-2016 23:46:04 - Last edited on 01-Dec-2016 23:47:11 by The Mather1

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This puts him on par with a Seren-less Guthix, and with Bandos' combat expertise, a fight between him and Guthix would then be extremely one-sided.


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Bandos cannot restrain himself. He jumps up and swings his towering mace, intending to dash this puny god's brains out. 'These creatures are MINE and I will do with them as I—'

Guthix raises a hand and Bandos finds himself alone in the void.
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02-Dec-2016 00:08:14

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That's just the issue though, Mather. He came when he sensed the signs of battle on Gielinor after the fall of the empire. Without the fall of the empire (no Zamorak to cause it), there's nothing to grab his attention.

Furthermore, we already know that Bandos isn't one for challenging beings of relatively similar strength to his own (or even much less if we count the events of the Dorgeshuun quest line). What makes him a threat is the sheer power and refinement of his armies, not his own prowess in combat.

You also assume that Bandos, of all people, would somehow gain control of the World Gate when Loarnab (as Zaros's parallel) is more likely to have possession of that (especially since the creation of Nex in DoD implies that Loarnab had possession of the gate even in the absence of Seren to hand it over).

Also, it was Zamorak who rediscovered the stone during the 2nd age, which then passed into Saradomin's hands upon the coup's success. In the absence of Zamorak finding it, I find myself doubting that Bandos, of all people, would find it (especially given that none of the gods who had been there longer than him had found it during their time on Gielinor, and the distinct absence of any of the rumors and legends that led people like Movario to seek it out n the first place).

02-Dec-2016 00:44:30 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2016 00:45:47 by Hguoh

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Zaros was able to claim the gate because Guthix was sleeping. If Guthix were awake, his scouting parties would not have been allowed to find it.
This means that the World Gate would have gone to whoever defeats Guthix.

Same goes for the stone. Guthix hid it so as not to leave it lying around when he slumbered. Without the slumber the stone would be somewhere in his possession.

And Bandos would have gone to Gielinor, because it was extremely close to Yu'Biusk and without a T2 Guthix' protection it would've been ripe for the picking. The battles going on were just what was needed to make him ignore the risk, not draw his attention.


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This puts him on par with a Seren-less Guthix, and with Bandos' combat expertise, a fight between him and Guthix would then be extremely one-sided.


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Bandos cannot restrain himself. He jumps up and swings his towering mace, intending to dash this puny god's brains out. 'These creatures are MINE and I will do with them as I—'

Guthix raises a hand and Bandos finds himself alone in the void.

That was T2 Guthix, not the T3 Guthix it would be in this course of history.
"Abscondita est in Astra."

02-Dec-2016 14:00:50 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2016 14:01:54 by The Mather1

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