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PapaJon
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I'm strongly against it but have you seen the Arceuus spellbook revamp proposal? It should be polled some time this year. It seemed to resemble Summoning and Soul Split a lot. I liked it overall. Stop luring PKers outside the wilderness, it's unfair.

03-Mar-2018 22:35:51

Ninijatt
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Magma Obby said :
I totally totally totally support summoning to be added! Low level pvp community will be amazing again! It was so fun in pre eoc with summoning pures and tanks! Put me into list!

You got it!


Duo Callisto said :
Ninjatt, you are doing an amazing job to bring that beautiful skill back! Keep going bro!!!! Yes, Yes and Yes to summoning

Gee, thanks, man. I get a lot of harsh comments here, albeit not so much anymore but the presence is still felt. So supportive posts like this are what really keep me going around here. It means a lot.

PapaJon said :
I'm strongly against it but have you seen the Arceuus spellbook revamp proposal? It should be polled some time this year. It seemed to resemble Summoning and Soul Split a lot. I liked it overall.

I have. The trouble is that's just simply not what I want. I want a skill, not some Frankenstein's Monster version of it being lumped into the Magic skill. There's no soul.

04-Mar-2018 02:23:05

PapaJon
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Necromancy was talked about a lot during 04-07. Besides, your compromise would still have devalued several things currently in game.

As an opposer, I came out with a compromise that actually got a ton of support. So basically you dump an item to get x pouches to perform a similar effect (sacrifice an SGS for 100 pouches of something to restore prayer and hp). You need to think that direction to not devalue things.

And then there's the fact that some people just hate it alongside pets.

Furthermore, something you will have to just accept is people not wanting the combat levels changed.

I've seen you put a lot of effort into this thread, so I can tell you really want summoning. Stop luring PKers outside the wilderness, it's unfair.

04-Mar-2018 03:24:58

Ninijatt
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First I want to say that I have a lot of respect for you. You're very polite despite not sharing the same opinion as me. That shouldn't be a rarity but unfortunately, it is. It's a breath of fresh air amongst the sea of "You're an idiot for making this thread."

Can you point me in the direction of what my compromise devalues so that I can improve upon it? If you're talking about the aspects that make other skills easier, leveling up an entirely different skill takes a huge amount of time and effort, which dwarfs the minor advantage you get to other skills. Getting 99 in one skill would be a lot faster than getting it in two.

It's hard for me to have a rebuttal for the people who don't want pets or combat levels changed because I don't know how that'd be compromised. I personally love the pets, I think it makes the world feel more alive and I don't understand how they would negatively affect the game when they don't even do anything. I understand that everyone thinks pvp is a perfect balance but I just don't agree that raising max combat level would negatively affect much as I've already explained earlier in the thread.

I've accepted that I can't please everyone, the hard part is that I need to if I want this to pass a poll which isn't very encouraging.

That said, it really speaks well to your character that you're willing to come in here and talk of compromise despite being against it. You're a good dude.

04-Mar-2018 05:33:19 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2018 05:37:40 by Ninijatt

PapaJon
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The snow imp having a 15% chance PER HIT to freeze a target just sounds op. If it was a special attack with a cooldown, that'd be one thing.

The Rune Dragon dying for you also seems broken. You can just drink a summoning potion and be fine.

Holding five food items seems fine imo but I know that a lot of people wouldn't approve.

Blindly increasing stats and power creep is never a good idea tbh. I understand that summoning drains just as fast, but we need to be more tactical. I have a couple example of that for rewards for this PvM content I created.

The spirit wolf may crash prayer potions or at the very least tie summoning and prayer potions together.

Overall, these ideas seem like they'd make the Inferno easier. When it comes to new combat-related content, that's the first thing I'd think of. Would it make the Inferno any easier? The Arceuus spellbook is irrelevant here, because you need ice barrage in every wave except for Jad and Zuk.

Imo this is still A HUGE improvement from the original skill. Jagex did a straw poll on this topic and it got like 53% support or something apparently. Your crativity is what made me actually wanna reply. :p Stop luring PKers outside the wilderness, it's unfair.

04-Mar-2018 08:47:23

PapaJon
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The main issue with summoning is that people feel it made PvM too easy and not skilling. Certain familiars like your Rune Dragon would only worsen this. Besides, we've had a good amount of rehashes content anyways. This is because Pre-EoC had a lot of good concepts, but Jagex didn't like certain aspects of it. Zulrah was a rehashed QBD and the one attack they couldn't copy due to the platforms being different was copied onto Galvek from DS2. Since we have so much rehashed content, I want to get this one in too but it's so difficult since people are adamant on 126 being the max combat level and want pets to be the only familiars.

As a side note, check out this thread and comment please. I tried rehashing GWD with a fifth boss similar to Nex. Summoning wasn't the only good concept from Pre-EoC. Stop luring PKers outside the wilderness, it's unfair.

04-Mar-2018 08:52:22

Ninijatt
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PapaJon said :
The snow imp having a 15% chance PER HIT to freeze a target just sounds op. If it was a special attack with a cooldown, that'd be one thing.

I thought it wouldn't be too bad since ice barrage is 100% chance for 20 seconds per hit and people already spam that like the dickens. I thought a freeze effect would be okay if it was a poor man's ice barrage.

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The Rune Dragon dying for you also seems broken. You can just drink a summoning potion and be fine.

Reading the post again, I completely forgot to mention this, but Summoning potions wouldn't be in the game. We'll just simply not have them. I thought potions would make the skill OP so I wanted to omit potions. I believe this alleviates some of your other concerns.

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Blindly increasing stats and power creep is never a good idea tbh. I understand that summoning drains just as fast, but we need to be more tactical. I have a couple example of that for rewards for this PvM content I created.

You're talking about the Wolf 99, right? I thought it'd be balanced since you'd give up your wolf for it and it'd eventually wear off just like prayer.But I can see where you're coming from.

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The spirit wolf may crash prayer potions

I think that prayer pots would be fine because 90 is a pretty steep requirement and it'll either shorten or kill your wolf so you'd still want potions. Think of it as a boost rather than a replacement.

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Overall, these ideas seem like they'd make the Inferno easier.

Back in the day, there were no Summon zones for big cities like Varrock and Falador. An easy solution to this would be to ban Summoning in old boss areas and design new bosses with Summoning in mind. That way, having the extra help of a familiar wouldn't devalue current bosses but also prevent it from becoming useless by designing new bosses with it in mind.

06-Mar-2018 11:12:34

Ninijatt
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Imo this is still A HUGE improvement from the original skill. Your crativity is what made me actually wanna reply. :p

Thank you!! That makes me so happy to hear. I'm currently unemployed but I work in the video game industry, it was my major in college. So I can't tell you how much it means to me to hear this.

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Jagex did a straw poll on this topic and it got like 53% support or something apparently

What do you mean by this, do you have a link? Like we talking this thread specifically or the Summoning skill?

06-Mar-2018 11:15:27

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