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San
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Fosbinder said :
San bud.. This is not the dev blog and you are not lead dev . Jagex went with the lazy approach and used the Dungeoneering model for the seas. After going with the POP Ship construction approach . It is purely a mini-game as it stands ..

Personally , I would shut this thread down and boycott their version if I were you. What you came up with and what they are going to sell with your name attached to it are two very different things..
I... know that. I was just asking if this particular design of sailing solves the issue you have with the current design. I'm not going to boycott their version, it's still pretty good. Obviously I think there are things that could be improved on, and if it so happens that my design can solve enough of people's issues with the Jagex design, they might make some changes. Wishful thinking maybe, but who knows. Sailing

19-Oct-2015 19:27:49

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San said :
Fosbinder said :
San bud.. This is not the dev blog and you are not lead dev . Jagex went with the lazy approach and used the Dungeoneering model for the seas. After going with the POP Ship construction approach . It is purely a mini-game as it stands ..

Personally , I would shut this thread down and boycott their version if I were you. What you came up with and what they are going to sell with your name attached to it are two very different things..
I... know that. I was just asking if this particular design of sailing solves the issue you have with the current design. I'm not going to boycott their version, it's still pretty good. Obviously I think there are things that could be improved on, and if it so happens that my design can solve enough of people's issues with the Jagex design, they might make some changes. Wishful thinking maybe, but who knows.

It would make a great mini-game atm.. With more work put into it as I have mentioned in previous posts , It could absolutely be skill worthy. It is up to Jagex though..

I think that you will find we share very similar views of how the skill should be in its basic form .

19-Oct-2015 19:33:42 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2015 19:38:14 by Fosbinder

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San said :
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So even the biggest pro-Sailing contributor admits that they've made a horrid job of the skill?
There's a rather large difference between "horrid" and "could be improved on".

Quite right, I'm sorry for using a rather silly exaggeration like that. But from what I read it seems the only thing going on here is very, very heavy optimism towards what might become of the skill from Fosbinder and concessions from you that while you'll still enjoy it, the potential was there (and was wasted) for so much more from Jagex, no?
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19-Oct-2015 21:15:24

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San said :
Reactionary said :
So even the biggest pro-Sailing contributor admits that they've made a horrid job of the skill?
There's a rather large difference between "horrid" and "could be improved on".

Quite right, I'm sorry for using a rather silly exaggeration like that. But from what I read it seems the only thing going on here is very, very heavy optimism towards what might become of the skill from Fosbinder and concessions from you that while you'll still enjoy it, the potential was there (and was wasted) for so much more from Jagex, no?

Yup.. I remember hoping we could hunt our own food instead of fish when the Hunting skill was released.. Still fishing and I know better than to bother leveling the skill to 2.. :D

19-Oct-2015 21:30:38 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2015 21:33:15 by Fosbinder

San
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Reactionary said :
Quite right, I'm sorry for using a rather silly exaggeration like that. But from what I read it seems the only thing going on here is very, very heavy optimism towards what might become of the skill from Fosbinder and concessions from you that while you'll still enjoy it, the potential was there (and was wasted) for so much more from Jagex, no?
Well, I'm not all that unhappy with the Jagex design. It shares a decent amount in common with my design, and on a meta level it's pretty much just a different means to go about getting to the same end. Personally, I think a few things in my concept are more elegant - the means of navigation and travelling being the main one - but then again, there's a few things in the Jagex design I've come to realise are more elegant than mine.

On a more selfish level, it's a bit frustrating to see people voting no due to problems in the Jagex design that I had foreseen and (hopefully) solved, because that meant a lot of my posting was based on what sailing "could" be rather than what it was. Further to that, I don't think Jagex has quite sold the overall benefits sailing could have, focusing instead on somewhat bizarrely specific details. But I don't mind that as much, as I've found in writing this thread that the overall benefits kind of presented themselves just as a consequence of the design rather than being deliberately developed. With the Jagex design having a very similar end, it should be the case with that.

In any case, judging the Jagex design against the core aims I set for my own, I'm happy enough with it. I definitely don't consider it a poor design that could have been good - perhaps more a good design that's a bit short of great. However, as long as it isn't poor I don't have a problem with it. Sailing

20-Oct-2015 02:52:32 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2015 02:53:33 by San

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San said :
I don't think Jagex has quite sold the overall benefits sailing could have, focusing instead on somewhat bizarrely specific details.

Yeah, they're going to go crazy trying to push the unlockable combat-related content in the 2016 poll, I think. Desperate times calling for desperate measures, and what sells better in the polls than Slayer?
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20-Oct-2015 15:26:06

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I cannot express my angst in words when I found out that sailing failed at the polls. I demand a re-poll! Just because some people don't want to train a new skill doesn't mean I don't! Training a skill is entirely optional. Any player has that right to choose what to train. Just because some people like being a mage pure doesn't mean attack or strength can't be in the game too. I feel as if many of the people who said no are close to getting 99 in all of the stats in OSRS as of now. They merely said no because it would be annoying to them to have to work all the way back up to a 99 to get on the top of the high scores. Is this true? I have no idea. What is true is that sailing should most definitely come into old school. More than half of the people wanted it, what difference does if 67% of the community voted yes, rather than 75%? If it was 50/50, it would be more understandable. As a returning player, I am very bummed. What a nice skill I was hoping to start training.


@actual topic
I think its laid out very nice, I feel as if Jagex skimmed over some details you did not. Very nice quality thread. I feel as if they should reconsider.

23-Oct-2015 02:56:50 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2015 02:58:20 by Nomeball

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Nomeball said :
I cannot express my angst in words when I found out that sailing failed at the polls. I demand a re-poll! Just because some people don't want to train a new skill doesn't mean I don't! Training a skill is entirely optional.
This dumb attitude doesn't help your cause at all and ignoring the fact that Sailing would have an economic effect outside of its existing as a skill - especially since Jagex is so keen to tie it in with other skills - is downright dishonest, as well as a reminder that there are plenty of Yes voters that didn't read a word of the Dev Blogs or background information regarding the skill, too. You demand a repoll, and, while you're going to get it, "But moooom! I really really want it NOW!!!" isn't exactly the best of reasons


Nomeball said :
More than half of the people wanted it, what difference does if 67% of the community voted yes, rather than 75%? If it was 50/50, it would be more understandable.
And this laughably selfish attitude is in a similar vein. It takes all my strength not to support lowering the threshold to 50% just to see all of the horrid updates that would get through the polls to spite the needy, whining and unfair section of the Sailing Yes community that would probably be the first to call for the re-instatement of the 75% threshold after Sailing passed.

The difference that it makes regarding the fact that 67% voted Yes rather than 75% is the fact that 75% is the passing threshold for polls

Though I hate it and think the way Jagex went about it is totally greasy , a Sailing repoll is understandable, Artisan got one with even less of a Yes vote (but not by much), after all. But children like this who scream and cry that Sailing failing was unfair "Just 'cause" drag the whole argument into the gutter
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24-Oct-2015 15:05:05 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2015 13:22:14 by Reactionary

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