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Tenebri
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But for me, I just want as game to have fun and chill with friends without being competitive at the point of reaching max exp.


then play that way.

competitiveness has long gone in rs. the ranks are taken. nothing is stopping you just playing casual with friends for fun and to chill ingame.


Well for example.. PvE, tell me if you want to boss Nex, Corporeal beast, if you want to do GM quests, not that easy right? and you don't wanna compete.. just be able to do the fun stuff. Want to do any dungeon? need very high lvls.. so for me that is the mainly reason. if you had a friend and try to convince him to play.. the moment he realizes the amount of time he should spend until being able to do this kind of stuff would be a red light. I mean, for me RS game experience is not designed for this kind of players, and believe me we are a lot of casual gamers ready to spend.


yep and thats the point of playing the game, you play it

whats the point in playing COD or any console game if the game is completed already. same concept here.

buying an account already completed seems useless. and will just make people quit faster.

not to mention, early game is incredibly important to understand the game, if jump straight into the deep endgame youll have no idea what to do, its a learning curve for a reason
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23-Feb-2023 19:12:21 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2023 19:29:16 by Tenebri

Tenebri
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Time and cost we've already discussed, but the other major factor is the effort players put in to getting their accounts the way they are. If someone comes along and buys an account that is instantly identical to an account someone has poured much effort into, that player isn't going to be too pleased. This isn't just speculation on my part. This has been discussed at length by many players since before MTX came into RS, and the vast majority have been against it. The fact that players can max out overnight using Treasure Hunter is bad enough for many and this is a major reason that many of those people play solely on OSRS.

You also have to consider the psychological element. A player who puts in time and effort into creating their account will be more invested in that account, therefore will be more likely to continue playing on that account, therefore will be more likely to pay more over a longer period of time.

A player who buys instant success may soon get bored of that account and not use it over an extended period of time. RS thrives off players returning, and buying pre-built accounts is at odds with this philosophy.

As for the cost, I stated it would be a minimum of £1k for an account with maxed stats, not necessarily fully maxed. Those with that amount of money to throw at a game like this are likely not to stick around either.


~A~


oh definitely

for a lot of people the grind to get to something is what keeps them going. and its the effort it took to get a certain item or level etc which keeps them at it. because they understand the actual value in effort that item requires. if someone was able to just buy it. that understanding is gone and make that item or level pointless and thats not going to keep them playing.
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23-Feb-2023 19:14:45

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A player who buys instant success may soon get bored of that account and not use it over an extended period of time. RS thrives off players returning, and buying pre-built accounts is at odds with this philosophy.

As for the cost, I stated it would be a minimum of £1k for an account with maxed stats, not necessarily fully maxed. Those with that amount of money to throw at a game like this are likely not to stick around either.


~A~


I am so glad about this conversation as I was not aware of this point of view. From my eyes (17 years RS Veteran) I would have no issue with this happening. I don't know if this is related as of my way ok thinking. I will confess something to you, I tried playing one "fun server" once in which XP rates allow you to max pretty effortless in a day or two. The only thing that kept me from playing is that fun servers will never have the amount of people original RS has, neither the full quests or actually nothing, and even bosses were scripted which makes the game boring. that being said, there are two scenarios:
1. You pay and get bored in which in that case Jagex wins a lot of money (roughly 12 years membership in one installment).
2. You enjoy the game and continue playing and Jagex and you win.

I understand people may get upset, but they should just change their way of thinking. It would bring more people to Gielinor which would be amazing for all of us.

23-Feb-2023 19:31:03

GeminiKannon
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[quote id=14-15-801-66275262-10-347430506][quote id=14-15-801-66275262-9-347430501][quote id=14-15-801-66275262-7-347430485][quote id=14-15-801-66275262-6-347430438]But for me, I just want as game to have fun and chill with friends without being competitive at the point of reaching max exp.[/quote] yep and thats the point of playing the game, you play it whats the point in playing COD or any console game if the game is completed already. same concept here. buying an account already completed seems useless. and will just make people quit faster. not to mention, early game is incredibly important to understand the game, if jump straight into the deep endgame youll have no idea what to do, its a learning [u]curve[/u] for a reason[/quote] Thank you for bringing CoD to the conversation, CoD, FIFA, LoL, all these games which have huge amount of player have one thing in common. They are games focused on multiplayer experience. that means as soon as you create an account you have access to the full version of the game. Warzone is completely open, have you played LoL? if you have xbox game pass there is no need to spend one penny or anything. They are ranked based. You want to play casually, done, matchmaking will choose opponents your level. RS is different, you actually have to play a LOT! to make it count. I'm with you, early game is fun, I enjoyed it, but in this moment if for example it was my first time at RS I would uninstall as it is too much time consuming. If it is not to rude form my side, how many hours did it took you to be at leas 80/85 in al skills Regards,

23-Feb-2023 19:40:42

Tenebri
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If it is not to rude form my side, how many hours did it took you to be at leas 80/85 in al skills

Regards,


that wasnt my point lol. im talking about buying a game and it being completed already. aka story mode etc. thats not going to be fun to play. nor are you going to be "at that level" if you pay for it. you have learn the game still
can you play casually on rs now? of course you can. pretty much all of us vets did this back in the day with our friends didnt matter if we had just started or mid level we did whatever early stuff was. as casual etc. and people who are new can still do this too. doesnt matter if you are endgame etc you can still play casually

well rs now is a lot less time consuming due to new updates etc.

for this account? a very long time as that was back 20 years ago. and i was young and the game back then was entirely different to what it is now :P

but i did max in osrs (starting in 2021) in less than a year. click here to see the progress i made in osrs to do this. so for 80 stats in osrs if stopping at 80 probably wouldnt take long at all if max was 9 months.


either way you can look at FSW event rs3 recently had to see how quickly people can get lvls in rs3 now. it started in 26th sept,
https://runescape.wiki/w/Fresh_Start_Worlds#List_of_firsts
<< you can see how long each took to get to 99 starting from lvl 1, at 26th sept. longest one was 7th october being invention. most are less than a week for lvl 99.
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23-Feb-2023 20:19:04 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2023 20:24:35 by Tenebri

Kat Stryke

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No way in hell should this happen.

As has already been pointed out, you can essentially buy XP through the purchase of TH keys. That is bad enough. Making direct purchase of levels a reality would be idiotic, and would surely lead to a swift demise for this game.

For a start, it would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt Jagex had totally abandoned any notion of game integrity. It could be argued they did so when they introduced TH, but this would clearly be P2W on a whole new scale.

If you're a veteran player, and you've invested the time to train your skills to an impressive level, would it not bother you on some level to know brand new "players" were suddenly where you are simply because they bought their progress, instead of earning it as you did? Some may say they don't care what others do, or how they do it, but it would still cheapen the gaming experience overall. Why bother working towards your goals if you can just purchase the end result and pretend you earned them yourself?

"But I have a job/kids/whatever and I have no time to play, wah, wah, wah..." If the game is important to you, then you'll find the time to devote to it. Maybe not as much time as you had available when you were a kid, but you'll find time for a break to play, if it's a priority.

Enough legit players would quit out of disgust to send a message. Meanwhile, how many of the ADD-afflicted kids will stay with a game so easy you can just buy your way to the end, become bored, and leave for good? Not exactly a winning strategy.

Competitiveness in any game should not come down to who can afford to spend the most amount of money. Otherwise, what is the point of the game? Just charge the card and don't even bother to play. Show others the receipt and brag about that.

No damn support at all.
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23-Feb-2023 20:41:52

Kat Stryke

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I understand people may get upset, but they should just change their way of thinking. It would bring more people to Gielinor which would be amazing for all of us.


It is not about bringing more people to Gielinor.

It is about bringing more people to Gielinor and keeping them there, without driving away the existing playerbase. When the older players quit, and the newer players don't stick around, that's a problem.
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23-Feb-2023 20:56:03

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