RuneScape Forum Archive | Don't Want New Skills?

May

2023

Pasqua

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First off i'd like to apologize to Jagex for trolling them on their survey they sent to the people who voted no to sailing. I did so, because after ten years invested into this game, I am very upset with the direction it is headed in, but understand why sailing is coming, and that it is inevitable. In my opinion, sailing will be detrimental to OSRS in the long run, and although I think it's a meme that would fit better as a minigame, a large enough portion of players seem to want it as a skill and it is what it is. I personally do not plan on training it. I will be completely honest and say I am fundamentally against any new skill coming to OSRS. Again, this is my opinion and I am aware that no matter what, new skills are coming to OSRS even beyond sailing, and I wish Jagex luck, as I do not want to see this game fail, even if i am completely alienated by the direction it is headed and end up quitting.

I will add a harmless constructive suggestion, because I believe many people might quit when this game becomes unrecognizable to the one they remember, I feel it is important to share, no matter how silly or trivial some may think the suggestion is. The suggestion is the ability to toggle in settings, to show or hide Sailing or any new skill in the skill tab, to have the option of showing the clean look of the 2001-2007 skills and the Total Level without new skills. I think this is a completely reasonable middle ground, and consistent with how the earliest OSRS updates always had the option to hide certain new features, until changes became so drastic that it became no longer possible.

Whether people agree with the sentiment or not, it is worth noting and not dismissing that there is a sizable amount of players that play this game because it's Old School, no matter how much some players may want to invalidate or dismiss them.

Thank you.

12-Dec-2023 00:53:54

Miu

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No.

From 2004 to 2006, we were seeing new skills released multiple times per year. The long wait before summoning after 2007 was due to the sheer amount of complexity it would take to implement.

NOT having a new skill in such a long period is much more against the spirit of Old School than having a new skill.

The rampant overpowered drop tables, excessive PvM updates, the growing incongruity between the wilderness and the rest of the game, these are the updates that are antithetical to OSRS. We didn't get a toggle to hide the hunter skill when it came out. And it would be nonsensical to suggest it. Sailing is no different.

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12-Dec-2023 15:41:00

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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A proper new skill will be good.

Sailing is a minigame, not a proper skill.

The kind of proper skills I think OSRS needed will be like Summoning, or the closest to it among the polled skills - Taming, because they are the easiest to deliver and the most expandable to be built on and interact with other skills.

Whether a piece of content is good or bad is relative though. If we don't see Sailing next year, what worthy content can we see? Given in the lack of Sailing next year, we probably will be seeing the same old boring rerun of Leagues and DMM, I'll rather see Sailing, but I will play it as a minigame and ignore the "skill" and grinding.

12-Dec-2023 18:55:08

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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i was against sailing too as it is yes a meme. i have even said that in the forums many times

but watching the trailer for what they propose seems quite fun tbh.

im all for new skills. i was hoping for something summoning related, but oh well

but yeah skills use to come out back in the day every year. that is 100% old school runescape.
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12-Dec-2023 20:04:45 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2023 20:05:22 by Tenebri

May

2023

Pasqua

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Miu said :
No.

From 2004 to 2006, we were seeing new skills released multiple times per year. The long wait before summoning after 2007 was due to the sheer amount of complexity it would take to implement.

NOT having a new skill in such a long period is much more against the spirit of Old School than having a new skill.

The rampant overpowered drop tables, excessive PvM updates, the growing incongruity between the wilderness and the rest of the game, these are the updates that are antithetical to OSRS. We didn't get a toggle to hide the hunter skill when it came out. And it would be nonsensical to suggest it. Sailing is no different.

What’s nonsensical is to suggest that because new skills were added regularly to RS3, that it’s implicit in Old School RuneScape. If that’s the case, why wasn’t a new skill added in 2015? Two years after the release of Old School?

The tides have changed since then and so has the demographic, thus a new skill finally passed after being polled countless times, but to completely deny the context of what necessitated this games existence in the first place, is a slippery slope.
This game and its popularity is built on the back of the fact that it is indeed Old School, no matter how many new raids and private server weapons get released.

OSRS only exists because a demand was created by the fact that Jagex alienated their entire player base with the direction RS3 went. They’re on course to repeat history and your response is players weren’t able to hide hunter on RS3. To make such a redundant point is to completely dismiss history. New skills are what people signed up for on RS3, it was inherent in the game. This is objectively not the case in OSRS or else it wouldn’t have taken 10 years. You can be a contrarian all you want but this is the reality, and it’s not a wise business decision to alienate your players. My suggestion to mitigate this problem has no impact on your gameplay.

12-Dec-2023 21:33:04

May

2023

Pasqua

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Tenebri said :
i was against sailing too as it is yes a meme. i have even said that in the forums many times

but watching the trailer for what they propose seems quite fun tbh.

im all for new skills. i was hoping for something summoning related, but oh well

but yeah skills use to come out back in the day every year. that is 100% old school runescape.

I think sailing looks decent as a minigame, but with respect to skills I feel the stakes are too high to take such a risk with a meme. If a minigame flops it is dead content and it is ignored, if a skill flops, it’s a sad non optional problem that will always need tweaking and adjustment and will remain a confusing stain on the game ie. Dungeoneering. I mean are they going to give it the Hunter treatment and turn it into Farming Jr if it flops? Or maybe time will prove it really is a minigame and they’ll literally turn it into one like they did with Fishing, Firemaking and Runecrafting in the form of Tempoross/Wintertodt/GoTR. I’m sorry but I just don’t think more of this is what the game needs…

12-Dec-2023 21:47:11 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2023 21:52:48 by Pasqua

Miu

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Pasqua said :
What’s nonsensical is to suggest that because new skills were added regularly to RS3 that it’s implicit in Old School RuneScape. They were added between 2004 and 2006. Are those the years of RS3? Are you saying everything that existed in OSRS upon release is RS3 content? This claim makes no sense. Pasqua said :
If that’s the case, why wasn’t a new skill added in 2015? Two years after the release of Old School? Because it was polled and didn't pass the supermajority. A majority of players wanted Sailing in 2015, but enough weren't convinced and it didn't pass the threshold.

Pasqua said :
The tides have changed since then and so has the demographic, thus a new skill finally passed after being polled countless times, but to completely deny the context of what necessitated this games existence in the first place, is a slippery slope. The context that necessitated the existence of OSRS is the hyperfixation on combat to the point that it was completely reworked, while gutting the core of Runescape. Today in OSRS we have PvM content that drops so much skilling resources that skills are now secondary. Skills are so secondary, in fact, that such vitriol exists upon the mere idea of a new skill by some players.

Sailing isn't Summoning, it isn't Dungeoneering, and it isn't EoC. If there's a demographic that actually wants a toggle, I'm sure a runelite plugin will pop up eventually for you and anyone else that wants to stick their head in the sand.

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12-Dec-2023 23:22:09 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2023 23:23:23 by Miu

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Sailing is POP in RS3 with interactive voyages and more grindy rather. Even some of the new islands are named after The Arc content.

Anyway, it won't matter how you feel about Sailing, it is too late to ditch it now. As the OSRS Jmods said in today's livestream, they are just going forward and see how things go. They said they can be proven right and they can be proven wrong. We'll just have to see when (and if) they finally delivered the new "skill". By then we will be able to tell them they are right or wrong. I don't know in 2024 or 2025 though.

I am certain Sailing won't meet OSRS purpose of helping a group of players to make money though, as we are long past the sell-floor Dungeoneering era. Maybe Sailing won't be well received as a "skill", but at least I think it will have some permanent content to keep players in the game a little longer than just a couple of weeks as in Leagues 4.

13-Dec-2023 00:04:03

May

2023

Pasqua

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Miu said :
Pasqua said :
What’s nonsensical is to suggest that because new skills were added regularly to RS3 that it’s implicit in Old School RuneScape. They were added between 2004 and 2006. Are those the years of RS3? Are you saying everything that existed in OSRS upon release is RS3 content? This claim makes no sense. Pasqua said :
If that’s the case, why wasn’t a new skill added in 2015? Two years after the release of Old School? Because it was polled and didn't pass the supermajority. A majority of players wanted Sailing in 2015, but enough weren't convinced and it didn't pass the threshold.

Pasqua said :
The tides have changed since then and so has the demographic, thus a new skill finally passed after being polled countless times, but to completely deny the context of what necessitated this games existence in the first place, is a slippery slope. The context that necessitated the existence of OSRS is the hyperfixation on combat to the point that it was completely reworked, while gutting the core of Runescape. Today in OSRS we have PvM content that drops so much skilling resources that skills are now secondary. Skills are so secondary, in fact, that such vitriol exists upon the mere idea of a new skill by some players.

Sailing isn't Summoning, it isn't Dungeoneering, and it isn't EoC. If there's a demographic that actually wants a toggle, I'm sure a runelite plugin will pop up eventually for you and anyone else that wants to stick their head in the sand.

Angry Nerd still can’t tell me how my toggle suggestion affects his gameplay experience at all.

My use of the term RS3 refers to the Original RuneScape as it is currently named. Go figure.

13-Dec-2023 00:06:42

Aug

2023

Teridax

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Sailing will be good for the game. It’s the most oldschool skill we could’ve possibly gotten. It’s not summoning, or dungeoneering, this time it’s completely original and I’m all for it. We have explored all over RuneScape’s lands, now it’s time to sail the seven seas!

Maybe you should open your mind to trying new things, it won’t kill you. The game is far beyond those “oldschool” standards now. I would rather have n alive game with updates in the style we know and love rather than a completely dead game with no updates at all

13-Dec-2023 13:30:50

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