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Klotho

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Honestly, at this point I think they should add a few worlds where you're allowed to bot, as well as a few worlds without free trade. These would be separate profiles from the main worlds.

Bots are annoying (more because they're distracting and break immersion than anything else), but I think you could argue that they hardly affect the game. They may make it easier for new players to advance through the game (by flooding the economy with cheap resources), but that seems to be the goal of pretty much every update anyway (I wish the game hadn't gone that way, but it has).

Sure, you could argue the high level PvM bots ruin the value of some rare items, but when being able trade essentially means you have unlimited GP (which it does, as long as multi-logged accounts are able to interact with each other), I dont see why the value of any item really matters.

22-Sep-2023 20:43:46

Espionage724
Dec Member 2022

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sourkey said :
There is clearly a huge botting issue in osrs, what type of solutions would everyone suggest to fix this? i would not be opposed to re-instating the trade limit from back in the day. the bots are ruining the game.

There is no problem.

- Bots bot resources
- Players buy resources
- Players expect resources to be reasonably priced
- Players aren't doing the tedious to gain the resources
- Bots do the tedious work to gain the resources for players to buy as-cheap-as-possible
- Players benefit from bots

Bots existing by their-self isn't an issue. If bots were wiped-out, players would drop-off too because of now unreasonable item prices and more people having to do the tedious work, and the game no longer being fun. Anyone that uses the GE contributes to bots existing.

To avoid bots, you have to pay for membership for early-game, and also accept the fact that any high scores or competition outside of time-limited modes and to an extent ironman has no integrity and isn't worth comparing yourself against.

I've done a few regular and Ironman accounts over the years on OSRS and never ran into botting being an issue in the sense most people mention.

22-Sep-2023 21:52:04

Asterrameth
Apr Member 2023

Asterrameth

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some people care so little about botting they will use software openly, while live streaming. Just a short time ago was browsing twitch and came across a person who's character was spamming chat every few seconds, while the streamer themselves wasnt even in the room. If they publicly chatbot, what software do they run in their own time?

Rules of any sort just mean nothing to some people. If/when they get banned they are the first to yell and complain about how unfair it is, and the loudest to do so.

edit - as it is I think if people who live streamed themselves using tos breaking software copped eternal 1 strike bans that might put a dent on others aspirations. But if someone can get away with using a "minor" bot with no worries, that could lead to others thinking "maybe i'll be ok" and start using worse ones.

01-Oct-2023 06:25:13 - Last edited on 01-Oct-2023 06:29:55 by Asterrameth

Jeremy Cheng
Aug Member 2013

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Add a chance for tree branches to fly and hit you in the face while you're cutting logs for small damage, this damage can kill you if you don't heal forcing bots to bring food to wc

Add a chance for mining rocks to spray you with molten ore while you're mining for small damage, this damage can kill you if you don't heal forcing bots to bring food to mine

Same with all the gathering skills, all gathering nodes will continually damage the player training on them forcing them to bring food to skill (food, time and inventory sink)

Same with prayer training, altars damage the player because they want a break from the bones they are given (too much bones gives the altars pain) and poh pools can't heal the damage only food can forcing players training prayer at any altars to consume food to heal altar damage

This is the first step in reducing bots

01-Oct-2023 10:23:46

Tenebri
Jan Member 2015

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Jeremy Cheng said :
Add a chance for tree branches to fly and hit you in the face while you're cutting logs for small damage, this damage can kill you if you don't heal forcing bots to bring food to wc

Add a chance for mining rocks to spray you with molten ore while you're mining for small damage, this damage can kill you if you don't heal forcing bots to bring food to mine

Same with all the gathering skills, all gathering nodes will continually damage the player training on them forcing them to bring food to skill (food, time and inventory sink)

Same with prayer training, altars damage the player because they want a break from the bones they are given (too much bones gives the altars pain) and poh pools can't heal the damage only food can forcing players training prayer at any altars to consume food to heal altar damage

This is the first step in reducing bots

this is just random events, which does not work against bots. they havent worked against bots in almost 20 years.

all this would do is annoy legit players. and bots would have 0 effect
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02-Oct-2023 13:18:56

Sal VJ
Dec Member 2023

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The overhead of bot detection software is too great for a server. There are CPU limits for bot detection since a single server has to service not only up to 2,000 accounts for a single server instance, but also calculation on the behavorial mechanics of each account.

Sophistication also increases when you have to take into consideration that accounts that are flagged by a report can also be reported by fake reports (spam reporting), so that is also cumbersome.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to create some heuristic for detecting botting? Bot scripters can easily bypass simple checks with small true-random (atmospherically generated) number deviation in click timing, mouse positioning and path algorithms that become indistinguishable from real players.
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03-Oct-2023 12:58:41

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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Nobody believes OSRS's numbers anyway. Not Just OSRS's own players like SirPugger are exposing different kinds of OSRS botting conspiracies, industry critics like Asmongold are also questioning legitimacy of Jagex's "population", as well as whether Jagex knows the truth intentionally.

OSRS won't gain the trust of the game industry as well as their own players no matter how many Mod Sweens plead for mercy how many times. They aren't going to do a thing to bots (or if you believe in conspiracies you may think they are going to put up even more bots of their own to patch the numbers). So just be happy the game is still exist and ignore every bot.

On the academic side, at least they can put up rockatunity mechanics to discourage bots with less rewards, and they can put up a PR show like Botany Bay. Well, just for academic discussion only, don't expect a thing in reality. ;)

03-Oct-2023 17:21:01

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