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Bruce Waayne
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And my Phats and other rares are not worth more than 10k. What is wrong with this statement. Fix it Jagex cmon.
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01-May-2023 02:18:08

Lelouch Vi B
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Bruce Waayne said :
And my Phats and other rares are not worth more than 10k. What is wrong with this statement. Fix it Jagex cmon.


You are aware of why they have any value at all in RS3 right...? There's this thing called "Discontinued Items" and in OSRS, those items aren't discontinued. More enter the game every year, meanwhile new ones haven't entered in RS3 for over 20 years. You might as well be out here complaining that you Bronze Daggers aren't worth millions yet.

I have no idea why you think this is something Jagex could/would fix. What? Do you want them to snap their fingers and make their GE value instantly 2.1b? Even if they did no one would buy at that price. Even if they decided tomorrow that they'd never rerelease them, there's already so many in game that it would be decades before they ever increased in value (And lets be honest, that would never pass a poll, considering players voted to have them rerelease every year). I have no idea what you think could/should happen. Now with added
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01-May-2023 03:04:20 - Last edited on 01-May-2023 03:08:18 by Lelouch Vi B

Zeffirino
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Back when OSRS was launched in 2013 Jagex did attempt to square with the community to see how they should deal with rare items going forward. This took numerous polls as no one could really agree but the general feeling was that tradeable rares were not a situation worth repeating.

So that's how we have ended up with the items dropped into game every year to prevent that from happening. Why do you feel that should change?

02-May-2023 13:23:49

Dilbert2001
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Rares don't have to be discontinued in RS3 to have significant values. Even some of the recent non-discontinued rares in RS3 trade for hundreds of millions of gp each (e.g. Aurora Dye).

I don't see any such "statement" will be valid in OSRS though. Even if they make something discontinued, I doubt OSRS players will be valuing them much. Look at OSRS League Rewards. Every League introduced time-gated exclusive tradeable rewards but they are all selling at pathetically low prices of a million-ish gp if not even a couple of hundreds of thousands each.

RS3 and OSRS are different games with different communities and different item valuations. I doubt anything will sustain high values even if they are discontinued because vast majority of OSRS players are farmers and sellers. Everything, even the most recently released valuable items won't sustain their prices.

Even the most recent Muspah loot are tanking hard after a month. This is just how the OSRS economy has become - dead in the water already. When BH returns, more new items will be pushing old items further down to hell. It will become worse when DT2 comes it will be far more ruinous to existing and even recent BiS loot. Discontinued rares won't help a dead economy.

02-May-2023 17:48:54 - Last edited on 02-May-2023 18:13:48 by Dilbert2001

Lelouch Vi B
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Dilbert2001 said :
Rares don't have to be discontinued in RS3 to have significant values. Even some of the recent non-discontinued rares in RS3 trade for hundreds of millions of gp each (e.g. Aurora Dye).


Do you... play RS3? You don't seem to even know what a "Rare" is. Go on the wiki and search "Rare." By definition, they are discontinued items. So, no... There are no "Non-discontinued Rares." You're literally just saying "Some items that are really hard to get are worth a lot." Well yeah, no shit sherlock. Good thing we aren't talking about items with extremely low drop rates, we're talking about items that get handed out in the hundreds of thousands every Christmas...


Dilbert2001 said :

I don't see any such "statement" will be valid in OSRS though. Even if they make something discontinued, I doubt OSRS players will be valuing them much. Look at OSRS League Rewards. Every League introduced time-gated exclusive tradeable rewards but they are all selling at pathetically low prices of a million-ish gp if not even a couple of hundreds of thousands each.

Wait, you're telling me items that AREN'T discontinued aren't reaching skyhigh values of items that ARE discontinued? What a shocker... Why would any sane human pay exorbitant prices for items they KNOW will just return next League? In the same vein, why would anyone pay high prices for a Phat they know will just be back next Christmas?

Dilbert2001 said :

RS3 and OSRS are different games with different communities and different item valuations. I doubt anything will sustain high values even if they are discontinued because vast majority of OSRS players are farmers and sellers. Everything, even the most recently released valuable items won't sustain their prices.

It's easy to make claims about what you think would happen to discontinued items in OSRS, when they've never had tradeable discontinued items in OSRS... Now with added
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02-May-2023 21:36:40 - Last edited on 02-May-2023 21:57:06 by Lelouch Vi B

Lelouch Vi B
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Dilbert2001 said :

Even the most recent Muspah loot are tanking hard after a month. This is just how the OSRS economy has become - dead in the water already. When BH returns, more new items will be pushing old items further down to hell. It will become worse when DT2 comes it will be far more ruinous to existing and even recent BiS loot. Discontinued rares won't help a dead economy.

Are you aware of how an economy works? Who would ever think a fairly common drop, from an easy boss, that is mediocre in 95% of scenarios, would ever hold the inflated value it launched with? Of course it dropped in value! People knew it would drop DAY ONE. Every item eventually goes down because, get this, they keep entering the game. Supply slowly catches up with demand, and with less competitive demand, you get more competitive prices. Sure, Items can see their price go back up when new relevant content/buffs release, but for the most part, items steadily decrease in value the longer they're out, so long as there is a steady influx into the game. I can't believe I'm explaining to someone that the supply of an item affects its value... If you seriously think that an economy is dead just because item prices go down, then you have no idea what an economy is, because in economies, prices go up, prices go down, and it's all fairly easy to predict when given the supply data. Btw, Twisted Bow has held over 1B pretty steadily. Which equates to ~10B RS3.

P.S. I'd like to know which recent BIS, or event legacy BIS items will crash in price when DT2 releases. Clue me in on your expertise. I'm dying to know. I also want to know how BH is going to affect prices at all, considering every reward from it is untradeable, unusable outside of BH, and an upgrade of a common item that can be purchased from a shop... Are you genuinely about to tell me that the Twisted Bow is gonna crash because people can imbue a D long for like 2 more max hits in a PvP minigame..? Now with added
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02-May-2023 21:42:30 - Last edited on 02-May-2023 22:01:00 by Lelouch Vi B

Dilbert2001
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^^
Rares don't mean just discontinued items. Even the RS3 and OSRS Wikis don't say so.

In this context, I mean rare cosmetic items.

We already have cosmetic items from Leagues in OSRS that can't be obtained again. They aren't officially announced as discontinued but they are rare cosmetics items. They just don't hold much value because there aren't many buyers.

Didn't Venator Bow just drop from 38 mil to 28 mil (or 26%) in less than a month?

Of course untradeable items cost demands of other tradeable to drop too. When pvpers can get their own superior gear exclusively they don't have to pay other pvmers for the sinking trash. Don't say untradeable items don't affect the economy. We learned it very very well from RS3 when Chaotic gear crushed everything, even when they were untradeable. It was good for those who sold floors for a couple of years, but not everybody else though.

03-May-2023 00:58:14 - Last edited on 03-May-2023 01:09:53 by Dilbert2001

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