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Lelouch Vi B
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Dilbert2001 said :

Somebody also compared 3rd Age items to "rares" just from this thread:

"We have 3rd age and high level gear to fill out the expensive items slot the game needs instead of discontinued rares."


It is not my own definition of rare. Neither is it the definition from the RS3 and OSRS Wikis. Perhaps "rares" are discontinued items to only Lelouch Vi B, and nobody else.


Yeah notice how they describe the discontinued items as "Rares" and not the third age pick? If the third age pick was a "rare" as you claim, they would have said "3rd age and other high level rares." The wiki itself states what a Rare is.


Dilbert2001 said :

The Leagues rares are similar to RS3's rares like Aurora Dyes. They aren't discontinued but there are also no guaranteed when can we obtain them again. If we play RS3 and OSRS, we should know that. In RS3 such rares like Aurora Dye have high values because players are confident about the economy in RS3. They know there will be RS3 years or decades later therefore they have values.


Aurora dyes aren't rares. Even the wiki, which is supported by Jagex themselves, doesn't list them as rares; "rare" doesn't come up once on their page. Stop redifining items to fit your argument. I seriously don't understand how extremely high prices indicates "confidence" in the economy. Extremely high prices indicates runaway inflation. Are you seriously going to argue that Venezuela's economy is healthier than the US economy because a loaf of bread can be as low as $1 in the US, but in Venezuela is costs over 2,700,000 VEF? So they're healthier because the number is bigger? Lower prices means the currency has more buying power, which means the economy is healthier. I genuinely have never met someone who earnestly believes that excessive inflation is a sign of a healthy economy...
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06-May-2023 23:04:04 - Last edited on 06-May-2023 23:09:05 by Lelouch Vi B

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Dilbert2001 said :
If we play RS3 and OSRS, we should know that.


I don't believe for 1 second that you play both. You have such painfully little knowledge of the OSRS game that I can only imagine that all of your understanding of the game comes from reddit threads and forum posts of exclusively RS3 players talking smack about it because, for some reason, there is a massive, gang-like feud between certain aspects of the RS3/OSRS community. I will never understand people who so desperately want to hate one version of the game; They both exist for a reason and both have their fans. Advocating for the death of one of the 2 versions will just result in the death of both.

I have seen your posts a lot throughout the forums and it seems every single time you post on an OSRS related thread, it is in an attempt to demean and insult the game and its players. I have never once seen you post a positive, or even constructive comment on the game. In fact, I've seen posts, such as this one, where you fairly unequivocally state that you are not from OSRS, and that you are an RS3 player:

Dilbert2001 said :
Perhaps you should go voice your opinions of OSRS game imbalance and adding more MTX to it in the OSRS forum.

We don't have these issues in RS3.


How Ironic you'd say we don't have balance/mtx issues in RS3. I get pop-ups for at least 3 different kinds of MTX every day when I log into RS3. "Ohh don't forget your keys!" "Hey have you bought the premium Yak Track?" "Hey there's a sale on runecoins!" OSRS has what? Bonds? That's it? And don't even try to tell me we don't have imbalance. Grico and FSOA had their reign of terror, and plenty of abilities/gear before those.
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06-May-2023 23:15:25 - Last edited on 06-May-2023 23:26:00 by Lelouch Vi B

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We are comparing RS3 and OSRS rare items to discontinued items. At least the other player I quoted knew what we are talking about.

I don't know why you switched the topic to discussion of me. AFAIK, the RSOF is not or discussion of players, so I will ignore your attempt on that issue for now.

All I can tell everybody else is I always expressed my comments impartially from whatever games I played including RS3, OSRS and other MMORPGs too, regardless you like them or not. Please free feel to discuss the TOPIC though, I am more than happy to contribute this way.

MTX didn't affect discontinued items. They were discontinued in early 2000's before the existence of RS3, let alone MTX. In RS3 we can get rare cosmetic items like Aurora Dyes from some events. They don't come from MTX but when will be the next time we will have such events, that's why they are valuable WHEN players have spare money to buy them thanks to the sound RS3 economy. In OSRS, it is the similar situations with Leagues. We don't know WHEN AND IF there will be next Leagues, there is no guarantee we will get any reward from the past Leagues again. And I am not going to buy OSRS League rewards if they were as valuable as RS3 rare event cosmetics because there the OSRS economy won't allow most players to have spare gp to buy non-essential rares.

07-May-2023 00:09:19 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 00:34:19 by Dilbert2001

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Dilbert2001 said :
We are comparing RS3 and OSRS rare items to discontinued items. At least the other player I quoted knew what we are talking about.

I don't know why you switched the topic to discussion of me. AFAIK, the RSOF is not or discussion of players, so I will ignore your attempt on that issue for now.


Because you claim to play both games, yet I never see you mention anything constructive about one of them. Yes, your post history in the OSRS forums is relevant as to whether or not you even have a vested interest in making this game better. If someone claims to be fighting to save the environment, but then you go to their twitter and all you see are posts complaining about EPA regulations, that's relevant.

Dilbert2001 said :

All I can tell everybody else is I always expressed my comments impartially from whatever games I played including RS3, OSRS and other MMORPGs too, regardless you like them or not. Please free feel to discuss the TOPIC though, I am more than happy to contribute this way.


I'm sure. BTW, I'd love to play some TOA together in OSRS. What's your username? I can't seem to find your Dilbert account listed in the OSRS high scores.

Dilbert2001 said :

And I am not going to buy OSRS League rewards if they were as valuable as RS3 rare event cosmetics because there the OSRS economy won't allow most players to have spare gp to buy non-essential rares.


Or, you know, maybe the RS3 economy is inflated so far that people are required to spend massive amounts of cash on an item in comparison. There's also the fact that these league rewards are magnitudes more common than the items you compare them to in RS3. Of course items that are significantly more common will have lower value; idk why this confounds you. Besides, OSRS does have expensive cosmetics. The 3rd age tools are literally just cosmetic variations of the dragon tools.
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07-May-2023 01:00:16 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 01:14:04 by Lelouch Vi B

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"No support! You wish your items will raise in value like RS3 in 10 years???"


I agree. It is a "wish" not likely to happen in OSRS anyway. This is a constructive comment.

"I don't see how this is an issue. I like to keep my holiday items for myself it is a celebration of an event. It is for fun. They shouldn't be someone's money making strategy."


Absolutely. Cosmetic items are for fun. If somebody is want to make money selling cosmetics and for fun players don't buy them they won't make money. This is another constructive comment that I agree.

"We have 3rd age and high level gear to fill out the expensive items slot the game needs instead of discontinued rares."


Absolutely, they are similar to RS3's 3rd Age cosmetic items too. We don't need discontinued rares in OSRS in the same respect. Another constructive comment.

"Nothing is wrong with this statement. Phats and other rares are luxury items. When the necessities don't worth much in OSRS, very few players care about luxuries. Luxuries are only worthy if the economy is in good shape."


Very few players care about luxuries items just like we don't care about how much Mona Lisa sells for. Extremely constructive.

I think all these comments just from this thread is very constructive, and I share the same opinions.

07-May-2023 01:28:51

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Dilbert2001 said :
If RS3's economy is inflated and everybody has gp to buy rare cosmetics, then they won't be controlled by just a small group of players.


That's... That's not how an economy works. Inflation isn't just "Wow there's so much money! everyone has so much money!" Inflation is when the value of currency decreases due to the mass influx of currency. Just because there is a large amount of currency, doesn't mean it is evenly distributed. Venezuela's economy is massively inflated, and the average citizen is incredibly poor by contrast. By definition, as currency inflates, the poor become poorer faster than the rich do, simply because wealthy individuals often have much of their wealth in physical goods, such as land IRL, or Rares in RS3. As inflation worsens, these physical investments increase in value alongside inflation. So no, you absolutely WOULD expect to see these items in the hands of a few, because these are the very few whom inflation doesn't negatively affect.

Dilbert2001 said :

"Nothing is wrong with this statement. Phats and other rares are luxury items. When the necessities don't worth much in OSRS, very few players care about luxuries. Luxuries are only worthy if the economy is in good shape."


Of the "constructive" comments you've listed, only this one came from you, and your argument is literally that the OSRS economy is on the verge of death, so it makes sense that items are worthless. "If necessities are worthless, so are luxuries" is what you claim. So yeah, your pattern of posting that OSRS is bad and dying continues. I guess I'll just casually ignore the fact that RS3 currently has 24k online players while OSRS has 106k... Yeah, OSRS is in trouble... Sure...
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07-May-2023 02:13:10 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 02:15:29 by Lelouch Vi B

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RS3 doesn't have any economic problems. Their Jmods have written blogs and told us so when they released the Death Cost Reduction and GE Tax updates. Mod Jack also told us everything is going well, or else they will have discussed with us. They actually told us prices of many items inflated by manipulations are coming down a little after the GE Tax because the 2% tax discouraged merchanting.

These are my actual comments, replying to the comments of the other users.

"I agree. It is a "wish" not likely to happen in OSRS anyway. This is a constructive comment."

"Absolutely. Cosmetic items are for fun. If somebody is want to make money selling cosmetics and for fun players don't buy them they won't make money. This is another constructive comment that I agree."

"Absolutely, they are similar to RS3's 3rd Age cosmetic items too. We don't need discontinued rares in OSRS in the same respect. Another constructive comment."

"Very few players care about luxuries items just like we don't care about how much Mona Lisa sells for. Extremely constructive."


I don't know how agreeing with constructive comments is not constructive. :D

07-May-2023 02:29:46 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 02:40:17 by Dilbert2001

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Dilbert2001 said :
RS3 doesn't have any economic problems. Their Jmods have written blogs and told us so when they released the Death Cost Reduction and GE Tax updates. Mod Jack also told us everything is going well, or else they will have discussed with us. They actually told us prices of many items are coming down a little after the GE Tax because the 2% tax discouraged merchanting.


First off, Jagex has an incentive in the players not knowing if the economy is in an unhealthy state. Second, I read the blogs they put out on the subject as well. And even in those blogs, they stated that they made the tax rate HIGHER than the amount deaths were removing, and that they anticipate having to do MORE to address gold influx in the future. That does not sound like they honestly believe it is in a healthy state.

Dilbert2001 said :

I don't know how agreeing with constructive comments is not constructive. :D


You see, the issue is that agreeing with constructive comments isn't constructive, when you never actually agree with them. You never once actually commented in response to these other players. You simply scrub for mild posts now that someone has questioned why you just come to the OSRS forums to claim it's a dying, failed game.

And yes, your forum post history is public and viewable by everyone. And the things you post in regards to OSRS is telling. Basically every thread you post on relating to OSRS is something along the lines of "The game is dying." "The only new content is Jagex begging you to make new accounts." "All they do is steal content from RS3." "It's missing all the amazing RS3 content like summoning." "When OSRS dies they'll have to play RS3."

These do not sound like the comments of someone invested in the game. They sound like someone upset that their favorite game is less popular.
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07-May-2023 02:44:08

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The players are the actual ones experiencing the game. The RS3 economy is fully player driven. RS3 doesn't artificially inflate some items with taxes from other items. They don't fake the prices. If there was inflation, we would see them in the market. Like RS3 Jmods told us they didn't see anything wrong and asked the players what did they find wrong... but nobody could answer, because items prices have been very steady for quite a while. That's why they said there is nothing pending to work on the economy.

Real players aren't fools. If the game is not doing well, it is only constructive to tell the Jmods their plans won't work and also give their opinions what they think they will do in the Jmods' shoes. The only unconstructive ones are those who are not just willfully blind themselves but try to flame the constructive comments. Even Mod Ayiza once told us OSRS wasn't doing well and one day it might not exist when they talked about ERB.

Rest assured, when players don't feel right about the main items needed for the OSRS economy, they don't care to buy cosmetics from events like the Leagues rewards.

07-May-2023 03:07:52

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