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Flat Earth Z
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Flat Earth Z

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Guys, This is the only logistical statistic you need to know from the video,
40% of the player base is said to have purchased gold from 3rd party websites

All this update does is let jagex sell to NOOBS, while letting higher levels buy bonds in-game for RS gp, and use the bonds to pay for their membership, allowing Jagex to profit from the people that buy gold- will get lured and lose money- because their idiots... and let HIGH LEVELS sell gold for BONDS, which can be used to pay for membership, which will lead to high levels selling bonds for REAL MONEY to pay for other peoples membership, at lower prices...

Jagex should of thought of that one^

Remix

Bob the idiot buys bond from jagex
bob the idiot sells bond for RSGP
bob the idiot gets lured for RSGP
bob the idiot cries to mommy mommy sues jagex/ bob quits game...

Terrence the idiot buys bond from Bob, for rsgp he got from Nex/Vorago/PVM l0l
Terrence the idiot uses bond to pay for membership
Terrence the idiot realizes runescape is dead
Terrence says oh well at least i didn't pay for it...
even though thats why its dead^

all in all this update has the potential to completely K0 runescape so far out of existence you can consider it completely dead already if not bleeding out.
I give it 2 weeks before this update either gets removed or at least 20% of players have the common sense to just L E A V E...

25-Sep-2013 19:38:59

Zelda
Jan Member 2018

Zelda

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@Mod Mrcrispy

In circumstances such as this, we would of-course do everything we can to assist any of our players get their account back. Although bonds, and other items, can be seen as having a perceived value, they do not have an actual real world value. All items are the property of Jagex at all times.

Ultimately you are responsible for the security of your account. If you have followed all of the recommended security steps, including setting up Jagex Account Guard, the likelihood of this kind of attack taking place is very rare.


He was saying hypothetically, but I think it's safe to say that anyone with any common sense would have enabled JAG by now, but that's besides the point.

The item is always owned by Jagex, but now that Bonds have been introduced to the game all items in game have a real life value . This was the main reason the items in previous court cases were not returned, because you could not establish a real life value. Though seeing as Jagex owns all items, the hypothetical hacker who somehow managed to steal 100m from a player, has actually stolen £50 from you, Jagex, and has therefore broken real world laws.

The point is: you are defining items with real world value, and therefore making it a real world crime to hack or scam someone in the game as it is now defined as theft. - Princess Zelda.

25-Sep-2013 19:39:13 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 19:41:00 by Zelda

Dreadnnought

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I became suspicious of this update by the way it's been introduced so oddly with phrases such as "heart of the game" and no surprise it's an additional micro transaction being brought into the game.

I also have a feeling that the "40-50% of players are buying gold" is a wildly overstated figure that has little evidence to support it. I just hope the same isn't true for the bot banning figures.

Additionally I'm curious how exactly bonds will stop ddosing and general hacking. If people want to download a bot or whatever at the risk of their account I cannot see why bonds being available to purchase would make them change their mind.

I'd like to think this is indeed just an attack on RWT but I have sever doubts.

If the 40% to 50% figure is true, why would the 50% to 60% want to continue to pay to play a game to a company where the cheaters are tolerated?

Why should i pay a company that will let me be knowingly be placed at a disadvantage to those that cheat? They must not think much of us at all.

By this I did not mean that buying gold is ok. My main point was that I am of the opinion that this is little more than a sneakier way of JaGex selling gold themselves, seeing as these bonds will have in-game value and can be purchased for real money

25-Sep-2013 19:40:42

Aubie

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It amazes me how gullible and dumbed down people are to fake statistics and out right lies. People... 40-50% of the people weren't rwting at whatever point they want to tell you... Lets see the proof. Thats like the leader of your nation saying well 40-50% of our people have bought illegal mortgage bonds so lets just make it legal and all do it. Its doomed to implode irl and in game. You people should get off this game and go learn real life propaganda, advertising, and economics in general (and not the bs they teach you in college) but real econimics. Sure this may be all flowery at the surface but wait and see ;) Go take a look at what "bonds" did to America or any other thing that they touched. This will not only affect the in-game market but also the irl one aswell.

25-Sep-2013 19:42:55

Dadizar
Oct Member 2005

Dadizar

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I became suspicious of this update by the way it's been introduced so oddly with phrases such as "heart of the game" and no surprise it's an additional micro transaction being brought into the game.

I also have a feeling that the "40-50% of players are buying gold" is a wildly overstated figure that has little evidence to support it. I just hope the same isn't true for the bot banning figures.

Additionally I'm curious how exactly bonds will stop ddosing and general hacking. If people want to download a bot or whatever at the risk of their account I cannot see why bonds being available to purchase would make them change their mind.

I'd like to think this is indeed just an attack on RWT but I have sever doubts.

If the 40% to 50% figure is true, why would the 50% to 60% want to continue to pay to play a game to a company where the cheaters are tolerated?

Why should i pay a company that will let me be knowingly be placed at a disadvantage to those that cheat? They must not think much of us at all.

By this I did not mean that buying gold is ok. My main point was that I am of the opinion that this is little more than a sneakier way of JaGex selling gold themselves, seeing as these bonds will have in-game value and can be purchased for real money

I am sorry if I gave the impression I thought you supported RWIT. I used your post in the hopes of getting a J-Mod to confirm to us that continued cheating will not be tolerated. I am really wondering why I should renew my membership when it expires.
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25-Sep-2013 19:43:34

Hannibal96

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I see many people saying "I thought Jagex were against real world trading" they are but with a problem of 40-50% of the Runescape economy buying gold one time or another there's probably no other solution.

I think it's much better to put our real-world-cash towards the company that makes the game we all love to play rather than illegal organisation all over the world who are essentially putting more GP into the economy than it can handle.

I see this as being more on an incentive to help the game. Yes, RWT organisations will compete with the prices but I believe more and more people will use the bond system who previously bought gold to help the economy, after all, they're still receiving something for their currency.

People, this sounds like a really good idea as experimental as it may be we've got to give this a chance. I see no other option. Banning doesn't seem to work, they've been trying the banning method since the birth of Runescape and look where we are now.

Like I said give this a chance. Also, very well done Mod MMG on addressing the entire community on the front page. Made me properly feel as if Jagex are back on board with the community!

25-Sep-2013 19:43:41

MR P0PE
Jun Member 2021

MR P0PE

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if this is to help stop people from botting , why not allow p-mods , to mute any spam bot too ,
not just website advertisers

any software that gives an unfair advantage may not be used


looks at yanille house portal zone -- pay auto-typers to spam advertise ( not fair to hand typers )

I would like to see an official j-mod respond to this

25-Sep-2013 19:43:46

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