forums.rs

Forums

An Important Message

Quick find code: 294-295-324-65645219

of 202
Gabbi111969
Jan Member 2008

Gabbi111969

Posts: 2,400 Mithril Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Claiming that this isn't pay to win...is at best ridiculous. Player A Purchases a bond for money and sells it for gold...then repeats. Is this not changing real world money for gp? Please enlighten me.
The introduction of bonds into the game is not making the game pay to win.

A player who has invested time in game that has increased their XP and skills and who has developed the knowledge within the game to use items most effectively is still going to be able to be more successful than a player who has simply traded a bond for an item but doesn't have the same level of knowledge or skill levels.


I suppose it would depend on one’s definition of “win.” Your example of invested time and knowledge would possibly be applicable to pvp; however, unfortunately from a skiller’s point of view this would certainly be viewed as “pay to win.”

A player who buys bonds with real world money, exchanges it on the GE for gp, then uses that gp to purchase skilling supplies would most definitely be at a HUGE advantage over less wealthy players.

I also agree with the other players who have stated that they don’t feel this would affect gold farmers.

Why in the world would a cheating player spend more real world money on Jagex’s bonds if they are able to buy the equivalent gps worth from a gold farmer for less?

26-Sep-2013 21:50:09 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 21:51:07 by Gabbi111969

Tobi9101112

Tobi9101112

Posts: 66 Iron Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Mod Money Grabber officially sanctions RWT. Thank FSM I quit this game already holy hell MMG wtf are you doing Real World Trading is still against the game rules. The stance on Real World Trading will not change. Game items must only be exchanged for other items or services within the game. These rules are in place to ensure everyone in the community is able to play in a safe, engaging, and enjoyable environment. this update in itself IS REAL WORLD TRADING. Unless of course real world money in now also part of runescape (the dollar in my wallet is a runescape item that I can go put in my bank in varrock). If not then that is real world trading. buying spins for SOF can be counted as real world trading even because a lot of the time you get items instead of the xp lamps. So PLEASE Jagex EXPLAIN how us paying you real money for the in-game item "bonds" is different than say me paying *insert random player here* real life money for in-game item "dragon helm" because I personally don't see a Difference (quote an resubmit if you want jagex to explain the difference)

26-Sep-2013 21:56:15

Darelzel

Darelzel

Posts: 3,587 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
The thing is, I think Jagex reached what Mod Stu (being the Troper that he is) would call the Godzilla Threshold.

The Godzilla Threshold is a point where a situation becomes so desperate that doing something really desperate -- such as summoning Godzilla -- would not make the situation any worse.

RWT, sadly, is not going to go away. Jagex has tried EVERYTHING; they've tried banning thousands of accounts associated with it. They've tried shutting down their websites and taking legal action. They've tried trade limits. But none of this has caused the RWT'ers to just crawl under a rock somewhere and leave RuneScape for good.

As long as there's a demand for it, it'll exist. And the inconvenient truth is that there IS a demand. If, indeed, the number of members buying from gold farmers is anywhere NEAR 40%, it's a disturbing statistic.

So Jagex is left with two options. One is to ban the 40% despite their being paying members. However, Jagex has already lost tons of members already and that's a luxury they can't afford now.

So they go with the second option, introducing bonds. Bonds, at least in theory, will help lessen the damage done by gold farmers and cause Jagex to earn at least some of the money that otherwise would have gone to shady sources.

Of course, this has its risks, too. Already many players are upset and cancelling membership over what seems to be a form of legalized RWT. But something had to be done, and it appeared Jagex had reached the point where they had to do a desperate act such as this in order to have some chance of saving RuneScape.

It was either summoning Bondzilla or letting Goldfarmthra and RWTodan run rampant on RuneScapeyo.

26-Sep-2013 22:04:49

ImDoinUber

ImDoinUber

Posts: 1,097 Mithril Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Nice to see that you guys are messing your game up even more. I also find it funny that you guys are so obstinately trying to say you are not selling gold. Well fine go ahead and claim, and I guess that is true you aren't selling them gold directly you are just selling them an in game item worth gold.

Probably no one is going to use this to gift their friends membership I know I wouldn't I would just go down to my local store that sells membership cards and buy one there. It is cheaper after all. As for combating gold farmers the only way for you to beat them is to remove free trade and as much as I hated not being able to give gifts to my friends back in the day I would rather go back to that than have you guys selling us gold. Not that I play this game anymore lol I quit when you released EOC and completely ruined my account. However it does hurt seeing you break your own rules. Shame on you. Also I noticed one of the mods said that having a way to make money easier does not degrade the value of others items. It most definitely does, the people who had worked hard for their items now see that "oh I could have just spent 5 bucks on a bond and got my bandos instead of farming w/e it was I farmed for 2 months". I can understand your "this does not bring anymore gold into the game" argument, what about all the merchers who have exorbitant amounts of gold in their bank does it really matter at this point if more gold is pumped into the economy when there are probably metric asstons of money sitting idle in so many players banks not to mention dicers, flower game hosts, ect. ect. Injecting new gold into the economy is not everyones problem the fact that you can now buy an in game trade-able item is. Sorry if this is a bit unorganized but I don't have forever to leave you guys a message.

26-Sep-2013 22:06:24

Mystic Monad
May Member 2005

Mystic Monad

Posts: 12,305 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Mod Money Grabber officially sanctions RWT. Thank FSM I quit this game already holy hell MMG wtf are you doing Real World Trading is still against the game rules. The stance on Real World Trading will not change. Game items must only be exchanged for other items or services within the game. These rules are in place to ensure everyone in the community is able to play in a safe, engaging, and enjoyable environment.

Actually you guys are RWTing now...
So you are actually going against your own rules?
We dont care about the safety factor of buying gp from jagex...

When Jagex sells in-game items or benefits, it's not RWT.

Yes, I'm serious.

RWT is when people who do not own the content sell it. That's illegal, and it corrupts the game, not to mention involving all sorts of real-world fraud and corruption.

Jagex owns the game content. It can and does sell the right to use it every day. If you have a paid subscription, you are paying Jagex for the right to use in-game content. (You do not own it, you only "rent" it.) By the "Jagex is doing RWT" logic, every paid subscriber is engaging in RTW.

Obviously, that's not true.

In terms of legitimate business vs. RWT, there is no difference between selling memberships and selling in-game items, as long as it's Jagex doing it.

If Jagex wants to sell in game items or benefits (or more accurately, sell the right to use them), it has every right to do so, and it is not RWT because Jagex is simply selling something that it owns.

Whether it is wise to do so is another question entirely. In my mind, the jury is still out on bonds. But I'm inclined to agree with Jagex that this is just something they have to do to put a heavier squeeze in the gold farmers.

Yes, of course Jagex will make money on bonds. Better Jagex than the illegal RWT sites.

But bonds are not RW

26-Sep-2013 22:13:09

[#4QQ2IVQ2P]

[#4QQ2IVQ2P]

Posts: 1,410 Mithril Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
If this was really only to battle the goldfarmers, (as Jagex is trying so hard to convince us it is) and NOT about Jagex trying to make more money, (as all of us with even half a brain KNOW it is), why doesn't Jagex sell these bonds on the GE themselves ONLY for in game wealth rather than real world wealth? That would be a great GP sink that would take great amounts of GP out of the game thereby making GP still remaining in game worth so much more.

If Jagex were to do that INSTEAD of selling them for real world money I think EVERYONE would be much happier (other than IVP of course who were the real architects behind this new bond issue) and there would be no controversy surrounding these bonds. We would all be more accepting and supporting of them.

26-Sep-2013 22:22:49

Mystic Monad
May Member 2005

Mystic Monad

Posts: 12,305 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
As for banning 40% to 50% of actual human RS players, that's just not a realistic option.

In an ideal world, nobody would break Jagex rules by buying gold from RWT websites.

This is not an ideal world.

And when you're facing that many people who are simply not going to stop doing something you don't want them to do, it's time to revise your own thinking.

Any real-world government that had a situation in which 40% to 50% of the population simply would not follow some law it had made, no matter how hard it tried to enforce it, would sooner or later have to drop or modify the law, whether they liked it or not. You cannot put 50% of your population in jail. Prohibition just doesn't work.

Jagex has been forced into modifying its thinking, and into doing things it never intended to do.

Don't blame Jagex. Blame human nature.

And if you think you're going to change that, maybe you should try founding your own country and see if you do any better than any of the other governments around the world that think they can change human nature.

26-Sep-2013 22:23:30 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 22:27:48 by Mystic Monad

Quick find code: 294-295-324-65645219 Back to Top