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Taggem

Taggem

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Buying gold gets you banned.. unless you buy it from Jagex. This isn't about prohibiting people from circumventing gold accumulation in-game. This is about Jagex wanting more money. And I guess that's fine. But in my opinion the issue is that people are able to skip the gold earning step within the game so long as they are financially able IRL. I'd like the market to be completely consolidated to RuneScape itself but I guess that's wishful thinking?

26-Sep-2013 08:34:33

funny mead

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I'm not sure but i've read that the current value of illegal RWT is currently at 0,33$ per 1M and with bond its currently $0,66(current value bond 7.5m) per 1M. So people can get twice as much money there.

I am finding it a shame that you guys gave up and joined the RWT.
I knew everything was lost when you guys removed the rule that you wont sell items that gives a benifit in the game.

26-Sep-2013 08:37:40

Mom0007
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Mom0007

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I'm totally shocked by this update.

40% of people are cheating so we are now going to help them to cheat.

Cheats buying gold weren't taking money from the game because the game didn't have the opportunity to buy resources.

Great job not and the sinister video :O

26-Sep-2013 08:46:26

furyXflame

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So let me get this straight

Since real life money >> bonds,

and bonds >> in game money/items,

This creates a DIRECT path relating real life money >> bonds.

While this will have a significant impact on gold farmers, (Because Runescape is essentially 'selling' gold themselves to compete with gold farming services) this will violate Runescape's own policy of RWT.

I feel that this would be for the better, as it is about time that Runescape introduced something like this. The problem with botting and real world trading and all those crap is that Jagex doesn't provide that service. Therefore, there exists a niche for gold farmers, as there are always lazy players who are not big fans of grindfest. If Runescape starts to directly selling in game items (preferably exp too), this would put a miserable stop to all the gold farmers.

This will benefit Runescape's development greatly, as the extra money people pay 'bonds' will be actually go into Jagex's pocket, and not a third party. Also, since bonds are virtual and thus they don't cost Jagex anything, (unlike gold farming services which requires people to actually farm gold) Jagex can certainly compete with them in terms of price.

This is a first step towards a much brighter future, without gold farming. (If Jagex allows people to buy exp too, then bots are going to get screwed)

For those people who still naively believes that Runescape shouldn't provide rich people with an advantage, see the statistics. 40-50% of the people buy gold from third parties. The rich always have advantages in real life, and Jagex is a real life company. The only difference between these bonds and gold farming is that bonds direct all profit to Jagex, which will help better the game. Therefore you kids should stop whining about Jagex RWTing. People buy gold and services one way or another. Having them buy from Jagex is certainly much better, and this will be a HUGE blow to gold farming. It is about time that Jagex take their money back!

26-Sep-2013 08:51:07

Mom0007
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Mom0007

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This is messed up Jagex. And no... this isn't going to stop goldfarming.

This will, in the long term, absolutely kill goldfarming. Bonds are 100% safe, cause no damage to the economy and are completely controlled by the players. Gold selling sites are a hive of fraud, account theft and their business methods result in a damaged economy with resources taken away from the players. Over time players will very quickly see that Bonds are a better solution and with prices expected to become fully competitive gold farmers will be forced to abandon their businesses when they are no longer profitable.

RuneScape is not the first game to use such a system as Bonds and other games have had incredible success in eliminating cheat sites with these methods.

I know nothing of other games and them using these methods, some examples please?

I don't see that replicated in other areas of the world economy, DVD's, music CD's and now electronic books. Piracy continues on large scales as the pirates can always compete with the price of legitimate sales.

People will always buy from the cheaper option its human nature. Those players who will buy from a legitimate source, will be your player base who don't cheat now and haven't purchased from gold farmers. Simple psychology tells us this is the case.

Therefore this is an update about profit! Again!

Edit: just to say there's nothing wrong with a company making a profit, and looking for new ways to do this but be honest about it.

26-Sep-2013 08:56:56 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 08:59:00 by Mom0007

Harmy

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This is messed up Jagex. And no... this isn't going to stop goldfarming.

This will, in the long term, absolutely kill goldfarming. Bonds are 100% safe, cause no damage to the economy and are completely controlled by the players. Gold selling sites are a hive of fraud, account theft and their business methods result in a damaged economy with resources taken away from the players. Over time players will very quickly see that Bonds are a better solution and with prices expected to become fully competitive gold farmers will be forced to abandon their businesses when they are no longer profitable.

RuneScape is not the first game to use such a system as Bonds and other games have had incredible success in eliminating cheat sites with these methods.


Don't take this the wrong way ofc, but why the hell would you basically say RWT is okay as long as you buy it from Jagex. You didn't say it directly but you hinted it.

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26-Sep-2013 08:57:04

Luke91

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Forgot to post on this, my bad :O

I think these are a great addition, initially i got home on the evening, saw the video and instantly expected the worst (Gold selling directly). However i was pleasantly surprised with how this 'Bond' system works...

Many are looking at it and saying "people are buying in game wealth with real world money"
While that's essentially true, the key factor here is no additional coins are entering our economy, so while player A might purchase 50 Bonds, netting them for example 400m that 400m is re-distributed rather than generated.

From that example one player is paying real money to benefit greatly but the 50 people who have bought Bonds for in-game currency are also benefiting, so it's hardly a viscous circle, more of a chain of beneficiaries.

The 10% tax is brilliant too, i personally believe such taxes should be implimented on a wider range of goods within the Grand Exchange. It is a long-term fix to inflation if handled correctly, but of course striking the balance on that would be pretty tough, a job i certainly wouldn't envy. :P

All in all I've got to take my hat hood off to you Jagex, this had the potential to be extremely damaging to the game, and probably deal the final nail but it's been handled well and looks good for the future.

Sabing.

26-Sep-2013 08:59:29

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