RuneScape Forum Archive | gender crap in rs?

Mar

2014

ELITE STACK

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A Cole said :
XSlay4DeathX said :
I'm proudly against wokism for these reasons; Discrimination against born genders via stealing their gender names(they need another one, former man etc), fraud having same names in the dating world and clear violation of peoples sexual orientation given the 'deception' and endangerment to born women.

"No man should be allowed to change body and class as a 'woman' to gain access to womens washrooms" Let me preface this by saying I am not part of any wokist movement, but I also do not have any reason to be against what they stand for.

One of the key things that this movement has started to define is the difference between a male born male, female born male, male born female and female born female. As you say, you don't want to be fraudulently told that the person you are talking to / dating is a female when in fact they were born male. I say fraudulently in this manner as each person does have a different interpretation of whether this person is male or female, regardless of what that person identifies as.

This is why we now have terms such as:

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Cis-male

: a male born male.

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Cis-female

: a female born female.

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Trans-male

: a male born female.

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Trans-female

: a female born male.

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Non-binary

: a person who does not identify with any of the above.

If these terms become the norm in society, then nobody has anything to fear regarding gender fraud - unless someone is purposefully setting out to be fraudulent.

Regarding access to gender specific areas, such as washrooms, indeed there may be more regulations required - I'm no expert and we won't be solving the issue here. However, what is the difference between a gay, cis-female entering a female washroom and a trans-female entering a female washroom? If being a "peeping Tom" is the main worry, sur [/quote]

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25-Mar-2023 19:19:19

Mar

2014

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Based off science you cannot be born nonbinary or transgender which is a fact. In order to be transgender or nonbinary you need a sex change surgary. If there is any evidence of people being born non binary or transgender I really would love to hear it. However as it stands You can only be born male or female. The male born a female argument doesn't make any sense. I need my blue charms back.

25-Mar-2023 19:24:59

Nov

2003

A Cole

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ELITE STACK said :
Based off science you cannot be born nonbinary or transgender which is a fact. In order to be transgender or nonbinary you need a sex change surgary. If there is any evidence of people being born non binary or transgender I really would love to hear it. However as it stands You can only be born male or female. The male born a female argument doesn't make any sense. Let me ask you this question.

If you were born into a society where everything was planned out for you the moment you were conceived, would you willingly accept that? Would you willingly go along with it your entire life? If you had no choice in your career, friendships, romantic partners (whether that be of the same or different gender), hobbies, or even what you eat, would you not feel even slightly aggrieved?

To keep this argument brief, it can be said that a human being is made up of two parts; the physical being, and the mental being. The mental being is what controls the physical being in the world we live in. The mental being is what decides what the human being likes and dislikes.

The physical being is simply a vessel that carries the mental being around, but also interacts with the environment and other physical beings. The physical being is where gender has been traditionally apportioned and, in my opinion, correctly so - this is still the same now, and should never be changed in my opinion. This is why we now have terms such as cis-male and trans-male to differentiate.

Someone who is "male born female" is simply a person who was born into a female physical body, but the mental being believes it should belong in a male physical body.

I cannot claim to be an expert, and I am still learning about this subject every time there is a discussion on it. I believe those who have gone through this process, or have these feelings are the only ones who truly know what it's like.

~A~

26-Mar-2023 00:10:57 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2023 00:12:37 by A Cole

Nov

2003

A Cole

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Another group not mentioned is intersex (hermaphrodites).

These are people who are born into a physical body with both male and female parts.

If gender has to be either male or female, and if gender is assigned at birth by what the physical body looks like, then where do these people fall into?

It is not unheard of a gender being assigned to an intersex person at birth, and that person feeling later in life that they should have been the other gender. This clearly points to gender being as much a mental being attribute as it is a physical being attribute.

Gender identity is a huge topic, and it's worth investigating if you haven't already. Whilst what you're saying is correct, it doesn't tell the whole story.

~A~

26-Mar-2023 00:25:04

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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ELITE STACK said :

Based off science you cannot be bo

this is overly used as a "defence" for bigotry in this subject but its clear no one that uses it even knows what they are talking about. especially with other subjects entirely they will go against what the science says. and low and behold this is the case here too because science does not say this. so if you really want to use science as your reasoning, i guess you need to change your views, cause science does not support you

maybe back in the 1950s would you be able to use this as an argument, but not anymore science changes with evidence. unfortunately peoples opinions do not.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/
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26-Mar-2023 09:23:32 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2023 09:32:18 by Tenebri

Nov

2020

SlR

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Don't fall for the bait. Its a strawman argument. Next they'll imply you're taking political rights away from them. Jordan Peterson style, lol. They're just waiting to bust out the "first amendment" or "freedom of speech" crap, then imply you're an authoritarian (regardless of whether any rights were actually abridged). It's how they avoid discussions on prejudice.

Speaking of Peterson, I understand how some peoples religious beliefs may be at odds with this, but it's worth noting that many religious traditions also prioritize compassion, empathy, and acceptance towards ALL people (including nonbinary individuals).

We ought to applaud Jagex, for wanting to create an inclusive and welcoming environment for ALL. They'll have surely known the potential drawbacks / backlash (negative reviews and what-not). But hey, what an easy way to filter your target audience!

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26-Mar-2023 19:50:59 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2023 20:06:33 by SlR

Oct

2023

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The issue is that inclusivity always excludes straight/white people. This is why I consider it to be satanic, because it presents itself as some holy movement.

Does it even add anything to the gameplay? Like for example, do the pronouns give a clue as to who the killer (or whatever the quest is about) could be? If it doesn't I don't even see why anyone would care to defend it. The age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever.

26-Mar-2023 20:28:13 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2023 20:44:18 by Volte Face

Nov

2003

A Cole

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Volte Face said :
The issue is that inclusivity always excludes straight/white people. This is why I consider it to be satanic, because it presents itself as some holy movement.

Does it even add anything to the gameplay? Like for example, do the pronouns give a clue as to who the killer (or whatever the quest is about) could be? If it doesn't I don't even see why anyone would care to defend it. On the flip side, why not include it?

~A~

26-Mar-2023 22:12:41

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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Volte Face said :
The issue is that inclusivity always excludes straight/white people. This is why I consider it to be satanic, because it presents itself as some holy movement.

Does it even add anything to the gameplay? Like for example, do the pronouns give a clue as to who the killer (or whatever the quest is about) could be? If it doesn't I don't even see why anyone would care to defend it.

inclusion from the player perspective.

but also if its as drab as you let it out to be, then yeah why not add it?
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26-Mar-2023 22:50:24

Mar

2014

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Its not misinformation to say you cant be born transgender or nonbinary you need a surgery for that. Right now I am male but if i choose to get the surgery then i am transgender or non binary. I need my blue charms back.

26-Mar-2023 23:11:51 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2023 23:19:27 by ELITE STACK

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