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Sinowarrior
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van Rheiydt said :

The sad thing is, that the Devs and Mods simply can't care, even if they would like to. It's not them who allocate resources to problems or issues, it's the financially driven management, where most rarely even play the game, it at all. I think it comes with the job - MMO employees interfacing to the player base have to develop an immunity against such complains, because they know, that games are not made and driven by Gamers but by business people. The resources of their companies are prioritized to improve the bottom line, not customer satisfaction, those companies are made to create profit, not friendship.

There are some examples that MMOs actually died because of that attitude (i.e. Lord British's projects, and a lot of Jagex' many projects), and a few which actually try to improve on that (EVE Online is one of them). In my more than 25 years experience with MMOs I've learned, that rants like that only have a chance to be heard and to have an effect, when a significant group of players cry loud enough and do something what really hurts the business. In case of RS, that may mean for instance that more than 10% of all significant clans will switch their accounts to F2P in an concerted and articulated protest action. If something like this is not possible with the player base of this game, rants like the OP are more or less meaning- and fruitless and simply a waste of time. Unfortunately.


Welcome to the game and the community! Thank you for sharing your thoughts, although I disagree that Jagex simply don't care, I do think they are open to hearing feedback, and the forums is one of the channels that remain open for players to use to do exactly that. I agree that there needs to be more of a concerted effort, which is why I appreciate you all coming and adding your voice to this thread.

11-Dec-2023 07:16:24 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2023 07:18:30 by Sinowarrior

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Ladyolake said :
I am one of those players who has the bunny ears, the scythe etc. However, the year of the snoverload i had pancreatititis and did not get that years nontradeable holiday items. I was in hospital for over 40 days.

I have long lamented the fact i would never have ALL the non tradeable holiday items because of that 1 year. So this year, i got it.

Now, I am honestly torn. Do i think its fair? not really. But did i personally want the 1 i missed so i would have the whole collection? Yea i did.

Do i want my kids to have the non tradeables... yes i do.

But its not all about me. Or my desires. I wish Jagex would just stick to one thing or another.

If they want to have holiday "shops" and put all nontradeable up then so be it. But I still think that anyone getting the holiday items the year it came out should have something "original" with the name of item if you examine it.. IDK> but something.

Now, on to the other items you named... the party hats and halloween masks. They did not rerelease them in the original colors. So, that I can live with. Im ok with that. And i see no reason to complain about the new tradeable "rares" that have come out.

To be quiet fair the last tradeable rare was supposed to be the fish mask lol.

I just wish Jagex would say this is how it is and this is how its gonna be and stick to it.
I dont like them switching their minds around year by year.

So, you make good points about the nontradeable items. But as i said. I myself am torn.

I completely understand where you are coming from. I think a lot of players are torn in this regard - especially those with completionist tendencies. However we are very much on the same page with regards to hoping that Jagex will just stick to a consistent approach to these issues and not back-track/back-peddle or fail to provide clarity in regards to their stance.

11-Dec-2023 07:26:47 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2023 07:28:19 by Sinowarrior

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Ladyolake said :

Now, on to the other items you named... the party hats and halloween masks. They did not rerelease them in the original colors. So, that I can live with. Im ok with that. And i see no reason to complain about the new tradeable "rares" that have come out.

To be quiet fair the last tradeable rare was supposed to be the fish mask lol.

I just wish Jagex would say this is how it is and this is how its gonna be and stick to it.
I dont like them switching their minds around year by year.

So, you make good points about the nontradeable items. But as i said. I myself am torn. In regards to the tradeable rares, I have two issues, the first is exactly this idea of back-peddling, you will notice that from 2004 onwards there was a number of consecutive years where it was all non-tradeable holiday items/cosmetics. Many players on the forums back then wanted Jagex to release more tradeable holiday rares, and Jagex explicitly stated that they would not.

The second issue is recycling OG items for new content, so partyhats were the original few colours, adding new colour partyhats not only devalues the original item and experience, but it is also inherently lazy. I wouldn't mind so much if they released other new cosmetic/items as tradeable holiday rewards, but this idea of re-releasing items year on year in my mind appears to be lack of creativity and effort, at the cost of player experience.

11-Dec-2023 07:38:36

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a problem I have with the release of new tradeable rares is how rare they are from the get-go, and how that places them out of reach for the vast majority of players from the very beginning of any event, and on into the stratosphere of what they trade for as time goes by. The vast majority of players will never get them, and the gazillionaires will have another thing that only they can merch.

This year's holiday quest was a nice return to the fun activities of yore, but it isn't like doing it gets everybody that fun (creative!) thing simply for being here and participating.

A rework of scarves and hats is nice in the sense that if you do every day's list of activities, you eventually (hopefully) get an entire set to combine. Those daily activities (one now doubled with the challenge extension *buff*) get you your extremely limited chance at the tradeable rares, so you have that daily involvement incentive to keep chasing the dragon, which adds to the grindfest aspect of holiday events.

At the end of the season, IF I've showed up and done it all over and over, I get the recolorable toys, and some chances at the phat and santa (Dear Santa, saying "Bad luck! No hat for you!" is kind of a nice rub-it-in, lol), but again, it's a grindfest instead of the "everybody have fun and here's a fun keepsake!", which speaks to me of both the lack of creativity and the emphasis on grinding a holiday.

Yes, the current practice devalues classic items, and yes, some consistency would be nice.

(p.s. to Sinowarrior, you're welcome. Would that all threads were this civil)

11-Dec-2023 17:01:14 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2023 17:02:49 by Crone924

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Crone924 said :
a problem I have with the release of new tradeable rares is how rare they are from the get-go, and how that places them out of reach for the vast majority of players from the very beginning of any event, and on into the stratosphere of what they trade for as time goes by. The vast majority of players will never get them, and the gazillionaires will have another thing that only they can merch.

This year's holiday quest was a nice return to the fun activities of yore, but it isn't like doing it gets everybody that fun (creative!) thing simply for being here and participating.

A rework of scarves and hats is nice in the sense that if you do every day's list of activities, you eventually (hopefully) get an entire set to combine. Those daily activities (one now doubled with the challenge extension *buff*) get you your extremely limited chance at the tradeable rares, so you have that daily involvement incentive to keep chasing the dragon, which adds to the grindfest aspect of holiday events.

At the end of the season, IF I've showed up and done it all over and over, I get the recolorable toys, and some chances at the phat and santa (Dear Santa, saying "Bad luck! No hat for you!" is kind of a nice rub-it-in, lol), but again, it's a grindfest instead of the "everybody have fun and here's a fun keepsake!", which speaks to me of both the lack of creativity and the emphasis on grinding a holiday.

Yes, the current practice devalues classic items, and yes, some consistency would be nice.

(p.s. to Sinowarrior, you're welcome. Would that all threads were this civil)

Very well put! I do think you have hit the nail on the head with regards to the current holiday event. Definitely a grindfest, with astronomical drop rates that keep people chasing those elusive tradeables.

20-Dec-2023 08:53:26 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2023 08:55:20 by Sinowarrior

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