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Mrs Ana

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I think that the main idea of having one's thread be at the very top of a given sub-forum was created during the RSOFs' Golden Age, an era where we'd have at least 1,000 active users at any given time and over 25 members of Community Management looking after the Forums and the community. A thread could have easily fallen to Page 2 in minutes! Nowadays, not so much.

As for implementing a limit on bumping a thread by using the "Bump" button, I don't believe it'd work as intended. Now, if doing something like this would encourage and promote users to post productively instead of just clicking the "Bump" button, then by all means count me in. Even if there was a limit on the "Bump" button usage, I am sure that players would find ways to bump their thread by simply replying with anything, i.e., "Let's bring this back to the first page"; "I'll update the thread soon"; "Anyone else with an opinion"; etc. Basically, anything that would make it seem like they are not "gravebumping," as it was previously mentioned here on this thread.

Furthermore, every single thread creator has the same access to the "Bump" button. This means that, you as this thread's OP, you have the same ability to bump this thread whenever you wish, just like I'd if I had a thread on this same sub-forum. I think I understand what you are suggesting, but instead of limiting OP's ability to bump a thread, wouldn't it be better to focus on ways to improve activity on the Forums overall and ways to inspire people to engage more deeply in threads and their conversations?

I just think that limiting access to bumping doesn't really help the overall goal that we may all have as members of this community. It's undoubtedly true that we'd also wish for these Forums to be revived to get as close as possible to its previous Golden Age Era, no ;) ?

What do you think?

16-Sep-2021 21:31:29

Mrs Ana

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Kopaka said :
Call me spiteful, but I'd like to see something like a max number of bumps a single thread can receive. Maybe like 5.
In this using the "Bump" button? Because if this were added, OP can simply respond with anything to have the thread up to the first page.

16-Sep-2021 21:32:16

Draco Burnz
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Kopaka said :
Call me spiteful, but I'd like to see something like a max number of bumps a single thread can receive. Maybe like 5.


How would that work out?

If the button gets maxed out then the OP could just post to bump it even more.
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16-Sep-2021 21:37:12 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2021 21:38:01 by Draco Burnz

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Mrs Ana said :
It's undoubtedly true that we'd also wish for these Forums to be revived to get as close as possible to its previous Golden Age Era, no ;) ?

What do you think?
Yes of course. But what would you think would push us in that direction?

The way I see it, most players only come here for support or ranting. Discussions, suggestions and the like are participated in by very few.

How could that be made any different?

I can't claim to know how many 'forum lurkers' read and don't post. It is probably more than I realize. But I can't imagine what would make them feel it was worth their effort to start posting.

In game rewards for forum activity? Definitely a risky route, since spam is already common.




As to the people pointing out that the OP can just post to push the thread back to page 1, this is true, and I didn't think of it. IMO that's spam if you're not contributing to the conversation, even saying 'anyone else have any ideas?' is not a contribution. But, spam patrol hardly seems to be much of a priority in our understaffed forum.

18-Sep-2021 01:55:35

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Kopaka said :





As to the people pointing out that the OP can just post to push the thread back to page 1, this is true, and I didn't think of it. IMO that's spam if you're not contributing to the conversation, even saying 'anyone else have any ideas?' is not a contribution. But, spam patrol hardly seems to be much of a priority in our understaffed forum.


Thats due to the fact what is/isnt "spam" is subjective.

I mean its clear from this^ post as other ppl might not consider posting like that to be "spam" as its asking a legit question, thus on topic.
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18-Sep-2021 03:00:00

Mrs Ana

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Kopaka said :
Yes of course. But what would you think would push us in that direction?
Well, if we as a community want to flourish and have the Forums return to their previous Golden Age, the Forums have to be completely revamped and updated. It's impossible to compete or compare with Social Media if we are lacking the majority of settings that these have to offer to people. Sadly, as Mod Lyon stated HERE , upgrading the Forums isn't one of their priorities at the moment. Until we get the right people to work on these archaic RSOFs, it will be impossible to progress.
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Kopaka said :
As to the people pointing out that the OP can just post to push the thread back to page 1, this is true, and I didn't think of it. IMO that's spam if you're not contributing to the conversation, even saying 'anyone else have any ideas?' is not a contribution. But, spam patrol hardly seems to be much of a priority in our understaffed forum.
As it was said above, "SPAM" may be considered subjective. I have seen cases where a Forum Moderator has informed OP to add something of value AFTER OP bumped a thread that was over a year old without any new posts/information regarding the thread's topic. That's a different story and the Forum Moderator in question may have good reason for doing so. As for me saying, "Hey, anyone else have any idea?", it'd be extremely unfair for an F-Mod to accuse me of "SPAM" when I am simply asking a question regarding my thread. I could also add anything else without "contributing" just to simply bring my thread to the first page again.

20-Sep-2021 15:30:34

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Mrs Ana said :
"SPAM" may be considered subjective.
Yes, I agree. However, like I said, in my (subjective) opinion, such posts are spam. I don't write the rules, I don't enforce them. But I (subjectively) consider those kind of posts spam.

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As for me saying, "Hey, anyone else have any idea?", it'd be extremely unfair for an F-Mod to accuse me of "SPAM" when I am simply asking a question regarding my thread.
The issue I take with this particular kind of 'contribution', is that it actually completely relies on other people to make the contribution, and it assumes that the only reason you haven't already seen it is because there must be someone out there who would have contributed but they didn't see the thread.

With how slowly the majority of our subforums move nowadays, I consider it EXTREMELY unlikely that anyone seeing a thread which has been rebumped to page 1 for the 50th time since the thread was written 2 years ago hasn't already seen it.

If in those 2 years and 50 bumps I never clicked the thread to read what it was about and add my thoughts, what would change now? I propose: nothing. If anything, a 2-year old thread in particular loses my interest. I am much more interested in fresh and new threads.

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I could also add anything else without "contributing" just to simply bring my thread to the first page again.
Yes, you could, and I (subjectively) would still call that spam. To me it's not a question of how many words you use, it's a question of how much new material you have added to the discussion.

23-Sep-2021 06:59:59

Mrs Ana

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Kopaka said :
Yes, I agree. However, like I said, in my (subjective) opinion, such posts are spam. I don't write the rules, I don't enforce them. But I (subjectively) consider those kind of posts spam.
Right. Throughout the years, these posts have not been considered SPAM and are still not considered SPAM by the rules and the Forum Moderators themselves, unless OP has already been warned by an F-Mod to post something constructive because OP has just "gravebumped" (subjective, again) their thread after a year or more without any new additions. I noticed this a few days ago but unfortunately, I cannot find the thread to link it here. If and when I do, I will add it as an example and proof.
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Kopaka said :
Yes, you could, and I (subjectively) would still call that spam. To me it's not a question of how many words you use, it's a question of how much new material you have added to the discussion.
Correct, and I respect that you would call it SPAM, but it isn't, according to the rules. Now, if the rules were changed to say, " Hey, you MUST contribute to a thread's topic instead of just posting anything to bring it to the first page. Failing to do so is against the rules and you risk having your post(s) hidden because they contain no new material added to OP ", then, by all means, count me in.

Other than that, I do not see any harm in anyone posting anything (within the rules) to bring their post to the first page if they have already exhausted their "Bump" button abilities. The only exception to this rule -- and I mentioned this above -- is when someone is "gravebumping" their thread for years without adding anything new to it. Now, THAT falls within the rule-breaking realm and Forum Moderators do enforce that, as they did so recently after having warned OP about a thread being "gravebumped" without any additional information.

24-Sep-2021 14:18:23

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