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Tuffty
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2003

Tuffty

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- Can they use them against the rules with no consequences with their Mod accounts??
A. Nope. Against the Code of Conduct. :P


- How can a Jagex track this? Do they track this?
A. It's Top Secret. A2. Yep.


- If a FMod alt occasionally calls a fellow forumer a belittling name, once, twice, or however many times would they lose there FMod ability?
A. Unless the F-Mod has told the Community it is their alt account it's very hard to prove they are Alt of any F-Mod. I have alts but do the Community know them.... I very much doubt it and nope not telling you their user names. ;)


- If they only belittled someone once or twice does this deserve removal of their Fmod ability?
A. In all my time here I've never seen an alt F-Mod account belittle anyone ever. 15 years I've been here. If a F-Mod does cross that line then any action taken by Jagex is private between Jagex and said F-Mod.


- If they use different devices for their alts can this be tracked? Would Jagex know their alt accounts?
A. Jagex know everything about F-Mods. EVERYTHING.


Now for the nitty gritty bit.

If you suspect a F-Mod of rule breaking or not with in the Code of Conduct then use Review.

If you suspect a F-Mod of using alts to cause any disruption within the Forums you can use Forum Help. If you feel it might cause you ill feelings or unwarrented attention from the F-Mod team then you can use the " [email protected] " E-Mail instead.

Remember F-Mods are not above the rules. We have never been above them and never will be above them. Comprehensive Account Security
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01-Sep-2020 14:06:58

Dilbert2001
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Tuffty said :

- If they only belittled someone once or twice does this deserve removal of their Fmod ability?
A. In all my time here I've never seen an alt F-Mod account belittle anyone ever. 15 years I've been here. If a F-Mod does cross that line then any action taken by Jagex is private between Jagex and said F-Mod.



I certainly believe any conversations between Jagex and their mods (Jmods, Fmods or whatever mods) are and should be private.

Remember Mod J_d and Mod R_a_h who got fired by Jagex because of "serious misconducts"? I believe Jagex had conversations and investigations going on with them long before they finally took actions, but they just kept everything private, while responding to long lasting rumors of wrongdoings as "nothing they noticed" before the due times. :)

01-Sep-2020 16:38:31 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2020 16:39:23 by Dilbert2001

Dong U Dead

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FiFi LaFeles said :
Well, it ain't me!

Jagex have been inordinately tardy in sending their FMod invitation.
"Lost in the post" ..... pffft !
I sadly wasn't thinking of you in this position :P Don't take it personally Fifi (even though I know you don't take things personally, well, you don't seem too) :D
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01-Sep-2020 19:33:37

Dong U Dead

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@Tuffty - no, I am not going to report a Fmod in this situation, I do not have proof, it's just an inkling and inklings are not a good enough reason to report. I hope I am wrong.

As a moderator this person is doing a fantastic job, when I do come across her - I don't see her around much.
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01-Sep-2020 19:38:20

Dong U Dead

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@Dilbert2001 quoted:
"If they use different devices for their alts can this be tracked? Would Jagex know their alt accounts?"

I think theoretically they could have an argument they were different people, but practically if their IP shows they are in the same place or general areas, it is hard to convince Jagex they are different people .


I know this is very conspiracy-like or far fetched: People have workplaces, holiday homes, parents home, college/uni/highschool etc so I feel it would be easily manipulated for some people to have two types of accounts without detection.

I feel it would be quite easy to do, even without having to move to a different area - unless something rings the bells of a Jmod towards a moderator they aren't even going to look into it.
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01-Sep-2020 19:50:35 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2020 19:56:18 by Dong U Dead

Dong U Dead

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Southeaster said :
I can only speak from anecdotal experience, but I have personally seen FMods, on their FMod account, break the forum rules without any consequences. No post hides, no warnings.

For FMod alt accounts, I haven't seen them being used to contravene or circumvent forum rules.

We wouldn't know though, they certainly aren't going to be highlighted.

- I have seen Fmods do wrong too with no consequences - thankfully it's slowed down these days. I still have the odd Fmod troll me with moving threads etc - very minor stuff.
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01-Sep-2020 19:54:15 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2020 19:54:44 by Dong U Dead

Mrs Ana

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@Dong: The F-Mod in question is not "trolling" you by moving a thread they think belongs somewhere else, considering the contents of the thread that you are referring to. If the F-Mod in question acted incorrectly, then the thread will simply be moved back to where it was. If they did act correctly, then it will stay as is.

I just see it as unnecessary to engage with the F-Mod on said thread and even on this one when you 1) already know that it is against the rules to publicly complain about the actions of F-Mods and 2) have already raised your concerns to Mod Kari on FMR. What is the point that you are trying to make if you have already highlighted the F-Mod's action to be checked by Mod Kari?

01-Sep-2020 20:08:44 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2020 20:17:49 by Mrs Ana

CM Nick

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I'm going to put a lock on this thread, as the OP's original questions have been answered, and there's not much left to discuss without this turning into a "what if" scenario for what FMods *might* or *could possibly* do on alt accounts, which is not only unproductive as a discussion, but against the rules.

Just to clarify here however, Dong, I'm aware of at least one scenario on the RSOF where an FMod had lost their FMod status and had an account permanently banned because of trolling and bad-faith posting on one of their alternate accounts.

FMods are not above the rules, and if they break the rules (even on an alternate account) it most certainly can result in a removal of their FMod status and more. FMods are held to a high standard on the forums, and reports of any improper moderation or trolling are taken very seriously.

As has been said, if you disagree with a moderator's actions, feel they're acting in bad faith or out of turn, or feel that you have evidence that an FMod may be harassing or trolling on an alternate account, those are things that should be reported to FMR for review.

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01-Sep-2020 20:23:06 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2020 20:25:33 by CM Nick

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