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2_Tron

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Mrs Ana said :
... If you believe someone fits in this category, then we may only suggest the usage of Forum Moderation Review V3 . Only a Jagex Moderator will be able to check if something of this magnitude is going on. You are incorrect giving out misinformation.

This is what Mod Kari said ...


What can this thread
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Disputing a Forum Mute - Forum mutes are reviewed automatically by Jagex staff, as said above.

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Report forum rule breaking - Use 'Forum Help'.

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Account help and support - Contact Customer Support here.

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Discussing in-game content - Use the correct designated Forums for the content.

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Discussing other members of the Forum Community - This thread is not to be used as personal rants forum, nor is it to be used as a way to attack and blame other active members of the forums. Jagex staff members are not here to be a forum police force.

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Once again, if you are considered to be using this thread inappropriately, we can apply sanctions where we feel and see fit, including in-game penalties and forum bans.

31-Aug-2020 17:53:57

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron said :
You are incorrect giving out misinformation. If the alt account indeed belongs to the F-Mod being reported (and as mentioned, only Jagex Moderators will be able to prove this on their end), then the best place to report such scenarios would be Forum Moderation Review V3 as this is the only way to report the actions of a Forum Moderator. If they are going incognito, as it's being claimed, to "break the rules" or be a "menace" without being caught, then it still falls within their realm and ought to be reported as such with privacy using FMR.

It does not belong in Forum Help due to the fact that 1) you are reporting the actions of a Forum Moderator (even if they are on an alt) and 2) only F-Mods/CMs review Forum Help and they do not have the ability to reserve the actions of a colleague or deal with such a case that's being presented in OP. That falls within the powers of a Jagex Moderator.

I'm completely unsure if the OP's claims are true or not, but let's assume that they are. Where would you report the alt account of a Forum Moderator that you believe is behaving "unmodly" and against their guidelines? If it were true, it's obviously that the person reporting the Forum Moderator will add their name to the report, thus making it a complaint against the actions of a Forum Moderator and thus falling within the reporting rules of FMR.

31-Aug-2020 18:06:40 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2020 18:23:34 by Mrs Ana

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron said :
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Discussing other members of the Forum Community -... Just to clarify here: When Mod Kari mentioned the rule about not being able to discuss "other members of the Forum Community", she explicitly referred to players like you and me. Issues that you and I may have shouldn't and can't be reported using FMR as we are not Moderators of any kind.

However, if I were an F-Mod and I had an alt account to "belittle, insult and break the rules" here on the RSOFs, then I'd be breaking the rules and the guidelines provided to F-Mods. I'd be behaving "unmodly" and if someone suspects that I have an F-Mod account, then by all means they would raise that concern to Jagex. If it were to be reported to Forum Help, then I'm sure that other F-Mods or a CM would simply forward the report to Jagex, anyway.

If I wished to remain anonymous to avoid conflict and confusion among the Forum Moderation Team, then I'd personally share my concern with a Jagex Moderator using FMR given the fact that 1) it's automatically hidden and 2) it relates to the actions of a Forum Moderator. Moderators at Forum Help will not be able to determine if the alt account being reported belongs to a fellow F-Mod or not. Only a Jagex Moderator is capable of carrying out such a task.

Remember, this is all speculation and only comes in to play if there is indeed a case of an F-Mod's alt account breaking the Rules and being a menace around the RSOFs. There is no prove that cements the fact that the alt account being considered by OP does indeed belong to an F-Mod. If she were to forward her concerns to Jagex, the best place to do so would be FMR due to the simple fact that she will be reporting a Forum Moderator, not a "regular player".

All in all, if she didn't think that the alt belonged to an F-Mod, then it goes to Forum Help; since she believes it does, then it goes to FMR.

31-Aug-2020 18:13:33 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2020 18:15:49 by Mrs Ana

Dilbert2001
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"Can they use them against the rules with no consequences with their Mod accounts?"


I seriously doubt it. When a Fmod or Jmod alt not properly identifying themselves as a Fmod or Jmod, they should definitely be considered as a regular forumer just like all the others. That said, if they are caught violating forums rules (e.g. not using the proper FH or FMR) or pretending to be ignorant about the games or the forums, they should be dealt with triple penalties as the regular forumers rather.

"How can a Jagex track this? Do they track this?"


I believe Jagex can definitely uniquely identify a user, of course, Fmods included based on not just their IP addresses but also on the computers they used.

I remember once like 10 years ago around the time of the Climbing Boots crisis, some trouble makers came to the forums and complained Jagex lost their banked items and demanded compensations. They claimed they were logged on all the time so they couldn't be hacked but somehow items kept disappearing from the banks. A Technical Support Jmod got on the RSOF and denounced their claims, showing clearly these accusers dropped the items (drop trading to bypass RWT tracking probably) with exact times and locstions of their actions on the same computers.

"If they use different devices for their alts can this be tracked? Would Jagex know their alt accounts?"


I think theoretically they could have an argument they were different people, but practically if their IP shows they are in the same place or general areas, it is hard to convince Jagex they are different people.

31-Aug-2020 19:24:02 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2020 19:31:43 by Dilbert2001

Wilf
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I only know of one case of a fmod using an alt to troll a bit and the punishment was I believe just a warning as they're still a mod. Those with exceptional memories (or in the know) might be able to remember the mod as they responded to me on another thread years ago about it

31-Aug-2020 19:30:05 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2020 19:31:09 by Wilf

Draco Burnz
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2_Tron said :
Your thread title ...
FMods Alts Accounts


An "FMod" account is an additional 'Player"-account, added by Jagex.

Take away the "FMod" apart, and you have once again a "Player"-account.

Just deal with it or ignore, anything else is a waste of time and energy. :) :)

+1

This seems to answer everything just nicely.
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31-Aug-2020 20:45:07

2_Tron

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Mrs Ana said :
2_Tron said :
You are incorrect giving out misinformation. If the alt account ...
Mrs Ana said :
2_Tron said :
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Discussing other members of the Forum Community -... ... "
... There is no prove that cements the facts ...
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The term ... FMods alts account ... is an assumption that can't be proven as fact by players.

If a "player" acts inappropriately this can be reported in Forum Help and be dealt with by FMods, if FMods deems it necessary.

If a "moderator" acts inappropriately this can be reported in Forum Moderation Review and be dealt with by a CM JMods, if JMods deems it necessary.

Your "assumed" alt account is nothing more than a player account and can't be treated otherwise thus not be treated as an FMod account.

Jagex can & will investigate any necessary circumstances that will smell fishy but won't be sharing it with anyone in The RuneScape Community.

If you are belittled, ... take it up the chin and move on.

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