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Mr Brushie

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Aqua Star said :
Archaeox said :
If you are so convinced that the forums are useless, why are you posting here instead of on Reddit?

To get them closed as they are bad for the game.


Well...

A) What makes you so certain I didn't post on Reddit?

B) Aqua Star's sentiments don't precisely mirror mine, but in a way he/she is spot on.

The forums are pretty much the laughing stock of the online gaming world and have been since their inception. Draconian overmoderation has done its damage, and hiring those 2 Keywords people isn't gonna undo it.

Plus you have the frequent trolling that goes on 24/7, and it's just a straight up toxic place to be. :|

14-Feb-2019 11:05:42

Mexk
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Mr Brushie said :

The forums are pretty much the laughing stock of the online gaming world and have been since their inception. Draconian overmoderation has done its damage, and hiring those 2 Keywords people isn't gonna undo it.

How do you reach that conclusion? I can only assume that it is your personal opinion. Additionally, what would you like to discuss, but have convinced yourself you cannot because you fear, quote-unquote, draconian overmoderation? What even defines draconian overmoderation in the first place? It saddens me when I occasionally read a post like yours because it is so disconnected from the perception I have of the forums. I am genuinely curious as to the above, and would appreciate you enlightening me. Is it really a matter of how actions by a moderator remain visible for everyone on the forums in sharp contrast to other platforms like Reddit or Discord?
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14-Feb-2019 12:01:28

Stoat King

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Well, I read that slightly differently.
"Draconian overmoderation has done its damage, and hiring those 2 Keywords people isn't gonna undo it"
That seems to me to be a clear reference to the past, not the present.
And if so, I agree - it was a factor in the declining population in these forums.

But to say that moderation - even now - doesn't promote a certain level of toxicity is rather disingenuous of you. How on earth would you know from your green vantage point?

There is at least one example on page one of this subforum as I write.

14-Feb-2019 12:17:35

Mexk
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Stoat King said :
Well, I read that slightly differently.
"Draconian overmoderation has done its damage, and hiring those 2 Keywords people isn't gonna undo it"
That seems to me to be a clear reference to the past, not the present.
And if so, I agree - it was a factor in the declining population in these forums.

If that is how Seinfeld intended for it to be read, I apologise for my misunderstanding!

Stoat King said :
But to say that moderation - even now - doesn't promote a certain level of toxicity is rather disingenuous of you. How on earth would you know from your green vantage point?

There is at least one example on page one of this subforum as I write.

You are right that I am inherently biased; no matter how actively I browse and post on my non-green accounts. However, the main objective of moderation in the first place is to quash toxicity by ensuring things run in accordance with the Code of Conduct. What do you mean with moderation promotes a certain level of toxicity?

I am not sure exactly which thread you are referring to currently in this subforum, though I can speculate. I very much disagree, however, that the toxicity contained on that thread origins from a moderator's attempt of encouraging a constructive discussion.
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14-Feb-2019 12:28:17

FiFi LaFeles

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What is boils down to, so far as I can see, is people whinge about 'over-moderation'. OK, if they don't like being moderated here then gtfo and go post your crap somewhere else. No one is being forced to stay here, they have choices. Utilise them.

Oh, what's that you say? You already use Reddit more than the RSOF? Then stay there.
It's preferable for the people who do use RSOF to not see people 'coming back' merely to make butthurt posts about how horrible the Mods are.

Shutdown will save money? Show me how much. Except you cannot.

Don't like that the RSOF is so ancient? Don't use it then.

Don't like my opinion? Awww, you can't troll me by downvoting it here. So sorry.

The OP rambles on about cost savings (none of which can be quantified or confirmed so is invalid as a reason to shutdown) and 'a toxic community on the RSOF'. Easily remedied, go back to whatever third party social media platform you are currently using. I can guarantee there'll be an equal amount of toxicity in that place; there are shitty people wherever you go.
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14-Feb-2019 13:54:24 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2019 13:55:58 by FiFi LaFeles

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^^ I agree over moderation in the past did a lot of damage. Users from the Off Topic section set up their own off site forum and then a few years later another group of off topic users did the same. A couple of other forum sections had forums too

A big chunk of users suddenly starting to post a lot less had an impact on the overall health of these sections especially Off Topic and it took a long time for activity to get back on par with the rest of the forums

I remember on a thread a few years ago discussing this with Winds and using old forum pictures you could see how the average posts had dropped rapidly compared with other sections


Now however in terms of moderation they're acceptable for most general posting just various features that would make things a bit better are not present but I can live without them.


So no I don't feel the forums are at the point they're not worth having around

14-Feb-2019 18:57:13 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2019 18:58:38 by Wilf

Doorknob747

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FiFi LaFeles said :
What is boils down to, so far as I can see, is people whinge about 'over-moderation'. OK, if they don't like being moderated here then gtfo and go post your crap somewhere else. No one is being forced to stay here, they have choices. Utilise them.

Oh, what's that you say? You already use Reddit more than the RSOF? Then stay there.
It's preferable for the people who do use RSOF to not see people 'coming back' merely to make butthurt posts about how horrible the Mods are.

Shutdown will save money? Show me how much. Except you cannot.

Don't like that the RSOF is so ancient? Don't use it then.

Don't like my opinion? Awww, you can't troll me by downvoting it here. So sorry.

The OP rambles on about cost savings (none of which can be quantified or confirmed so is invalid as a reason to shutdown) and 'a toxic community on the RSOF'. Easily remedied, go back to whatever third party social media platform you are currently using. I can guarantee there'll be an equal amount of toxicity in that place; there are shitty people wherever you go.

Decreasing the price of membership by even 50 cent is like an incentive for F2P players to go get membership.

I do not want to spend a single penny on the maintenance of the ORSF. The last time I saw a JMod ever comment back to user in Game suggestions forum, telling them they like their idea was when, that person suggested something similar to the skill divination. Yah, basically the idea got changed into something similar, and was added to the game as a new skill called "Divination". Ever since then I never saw a JMod ever reply to a post on that forum, the way they did with that post. JAGEX PLEASE START PLANING FOR A 300Million Account Event.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quick find code: 185-186-627-65997434

14-Feb-2019 19:08:01

Wolfblue42

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Would be nice if game info was shared on here. Right now there is a comp rework debate topic in future updates, and in it the topic has:
So get involved, vote in the poll, come chat on Discord, and we can fix comp together!


So you have to go offsite to be involved. I mean if they were to make a topic or 2 regarding new proposals that arised in the discord and posted it on the forums and let the forums debate it too that would be nice. Instead you must follow jmods around the world to find your info about the game or miss out. This shouldn't keep happening or this place becomes more and more obsolete as it already is.

As for reddit I don't wish to have to retain popularity via upvotes to be able to post, as was the case with a certain fresh jmod account who was downvoted so much during an mtx shitstorm they couldn't post there for a time.

I don't agree with removal but would be nice if A) Jmods shared game info here more and B) They actually tried to fix this place up instead of status quo. It would be nice if Jagex actually cared about a serious forum overhaul effort instead of letting them rot away with outdated features and lack of that other sites have by now. Hire more web devs with the $11 membership fee raise.

14-Feb-2019 21:22:27

FiFi LaFeles

FiFi LaFeles

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Doorknob747 said :
FiFi LaFeles said :


Shutdown will save money? Show me how much. Except you cannot.

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Decreasing the price of membership by even 50 cent is like an incentive for F2P players to go get membership.
snip.

Like I said, you have no idea at all how much money is spent on maintaining the RSOF.
You also have no idea whether closing them down would make enough money to decrease the price of membership by 50 cents.
You have no idea how many F2P people would be tempted by this minuscule decrease.
Indeed, what makes you think Jagex would direct any potential cost savings towards decreasing membership cost as opposed to directing the funds into shareholder dividends?

Until and unless you have proven figures for these savings, the 'cost saving' claim simply doesn't have any weight as a valid reason to close down the RSOF.
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15-Feb-2019 01:01:36

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