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RiDaku
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-And there would be very little we could do about it. Because then one has to ask, how would we remove someone from the listing? Would it be a vote? Because a vote can be manipulated or rigged. Alternate accounts could be used, random people could be paid off, and then on..

You can see how many cases for abuse this has. Right now we can't even properly decide which Kandarin is the right one (which I can say regardless of my own personal involvement in it, because it doesn't detract from the truth of the statement.) There is currently no place for any list of who-can-do-what, and under the proposed system, the ways people can take advantage of it and abuse it are numerous. So the mentor list got taken down, and I believe it should stay down- from both guides- until such a time where things settle and people can at least somewhat agree. The Sicarius |
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17-Jun-2019 21:55:40 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2019 21:59:54 by RiDaku

CrocoNuts
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Very well.

Disappointed but not too bothered I think it is a good idea to let the dust settle regarding this subject. Just be aware that claiming to have hawk-eyes for potential abuse of a system is only half the story and that a constant focus on this perspective alone potentially causes helpful additions to community threads to go to waste. Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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17-Jun-2019 22:22:25

HC Tervuren

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RiDaku said :
I realized how simple it would be to abuse the fact that in-game behavior is not something that can be brought up or held to someone on the forums.

You're talking worst-case scenario, and what is wrong with creating an application to screen the individuals? Not to mention, requiring a 1-year period in RSRP (I assume could be requiring 1 year of recent involvement) could screen the individuals who you supposedly think might be out to destroy the world.


RiDaku said :
Under the system Twillow proposed, this person - and any people like them - could simply request to be listed as a mentor, be given the listing, and then do whatever they please. Leave the game, yell at anybody that PM'd them asking for help, chased

How? If they do that, inform a forum mod and present your reason to remove them in a short description. Then remove them. Why is that a problem?

Even then, your current method of identifying proper mentors is based on their behavior to people. That technically doesn't make them incapable of teaching someone to roleplay. Just because they don't like you or someone else and is openly rude to you or them, it doesn't mean they can't teach -- because frankly, you'd be a bad mentor along with each other listed for that very reason. Poor conduct does not just lie with non-mentors in your current (before being removed) listing.

Like I said on my Canon Catastrophe thread: "Everything seems to move two steps forwards and ten steps back .."

It was applied to another situation, but is applicable here; you move two steps forwards under the approval of forum mods, and then take ten steps back because you're afraid of the possibility of something going wrong. Were that the case, nothing in the entire world would move forwards.

And to me, it sounds like either laziness or complacency with the current state of things.
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18-Jun-2019 09:17:36 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2019 09:19:28 by HC Tervuren

RiDaku
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HC Tervuren said :
How? If they do that, inform a forum mod and present your reason to remove them in a short description. Then remove them. Why is that a problem?

Because it's another issue that just puts more work on an f-mod's plate. Any time an issue arises with someone on the mentor list, f-mods get hit in-game and on Forum Help with "this person isn't good, can I take them off?"

So, if removing someone from the mentor's list becomes an fmod-approval-only thing, why not just make it part of an f-mod's post that can be linked to? Let's go a step further. Why go through that trouble, why not just give the f-mods the full guide threads? And then, in order to keep bias out of the equation, the f-mods can be the ones hosting a kingdom thread that names a player as the leader if the PoK system continues, and if not, then the f-mods just run those threads as--- oh. Hang on a minute, now we're approaching territory where the f-mods are more than just forum moderators, they're Game Masters too. Another job for them to log on to do, that demands attention. We've just successfully wrangled the Green Team in as roleplayers in the most frustrating way.

Of course, all of that is built on the absurd. It's ridiculous and a stupid concept, putting everything in the f-mod's hands, it's unfair to them and it's just silly to think about. Yet it's just one step away from the proposed idea of getting green-sanctioned additions or removals on a mentor guide. So, instead..

Ask anybody. That's the solution, one that requires the least amount of drama. The Sicarius |
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18-Jun-2019 09:33:59 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2019 20:07:46 by RiDaku

HC Tervuren

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RiDaku said :
So, if removing someone from the mentor's list becomes an fmod-approval-only thing, why not just make it part of an f-mod's post that can be linked to? Let's go a step further. Why go through that trouble, why not just give the f-mods the full guide threads?

To be quite honest, I don't think either of those sound like a bad idea. It'd solve the problems where we don't necessarily need community leaders. Regardless of what's said, I identify a sticky holder as a community leader, and sometimes they're self-elected or it's handed to them from the previous sticky holder -- not that I'm trying to say anything regarding you, at least. I just kind of wish it were an elected position.

While it'd kind of give forum mods more to do, I think it'd totally get rid of the issue here where distaste for a sticky holder is displayed. Pros and cons, and it'd get rid of some extra work for the forum mods to deal with in exchange for work in another aspect.

And plus, I think it kind of looks better when mods host stickies in forum sections and makes it all the more official.

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18-Jun-2019 10:26:17 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2019 14:02:02 by HC Tervuren

CrocoNuts
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HC Tervuren said :
CrocoNuts said :
And from 0 to 100 again. Lovely.

How? I didn't think any of that was attacking.

It was not aimed at you. What you responded to (f-mod hosted threads) is basically the result of me asking some questions about it and some other stuff on the Forum Help thread that RiDaku seems to have picked up on. Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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18-Jun-2019 10:31:31

RiDaku
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HC Tervuren said :
I certainly don't respect removing a piece of progress for fear of it having problems. Test it out, it's barely been in the works.

RiDaku said :
So the mentor list got taken down, and I believe it should stay down- from both guides- until such a time where things settle and people can at least somewhat agree.

Good news! There shouldn't be any problems here then, because what was said was "Until things settle down" and not "it's gone in to the fiery pits of Pandemonium forever". The Sicarius |
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18-Jun-2019 10:32:15

RiDaku
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CrocoNuts said :
HC Tervuren said :
CrocoNuts said :
And from 0 to 100 again. Lovely.

How? I didn't think any of that was attacking.

It was not aimed at you. What you responded to (f-mod hosted threads) is basically the result of me asking some questions about it and some other stuff on the Forum Help thread that RiDaku seems to have picked up on.

I can promise you that I haven't looked at that thread, as I've also been active on the Canon Catastrophe thread. I may be able to do a lot of things at once, but not type that and simultaneously go looking at a thread where posts get hidden. But, conveniently enough, I guess my own stance on that situation has already been voiced. The Sicarius |
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18-Jun-2019 10:33:36 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2019 10:35:40 by RiDaku

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