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CoronaThymeU

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So, firstly. Your post is hypocritical of the fact that you employed the same tactics to take the Kingdom from Arenaride.

1.) I have you in chat and on voice telling me you would take Asgarnia from Arenaride and asked what position I'd like. Mind you, when Salt, Aren and I were coordinating, adamantly Arenaride denied this claim. Yet here we are.
Solution: Don't be a hypocrite.

2.) The Pity Party has to stop, while you damn the bullies, members seek to Roleplay. Clearly you have denied Kinshra roleplay, while stating in your post that an agreement must be reached between you and Varis , evidently showing the hypocrisy in your methods to running roleplay. Its not satisfsctory if you control all aspects, understandable, we don't want to lose pixel thrones.
Solution: Make your rp Private.

3.) As far as each event leading to Jeoffery's impractical rise to power, lore-breaking trade deals, Ridiculous ties that lead to conspiricies that gave the Asgarnian Military a place to look for Camp Donblas, not to mention the part on Forinthry powerplaying our Kinshra. I implore you to rectify these mistakes.
Solution: Across the aisle talks on what Lore is.

In conclusion, RiDaku, you and the Triumvirate of Lorebreak must come to a decision should your statement be true in that post of yours: Turn your rp private, Or accept the Public domain

This is a reflection of my view towards each step you've taken thus far.

30-Nov-2018 21:22:53

RiDaku
Oct Member 2012

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RiDaku said :
What I said stays true, and so does my three-post reply on the previous page. Sorry if you don't like it. Your group is approaching mine, not the other way around.

As for "and nobody liked them either", that's a lot of OOC you're shoving on the general asgarnian population IC. Wanna powerplay what's essentially my people some more? The Sicarius |
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30-Nov-2018 21:23:46

CoronaThymeU

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Secondly,

Here we have the list of crimes against the Roleplaying Community that travel into the sphere of Public Roleplay, attributed by the Triumvirate itself. Completely fine if they decided not to take themselves out of a Private domain, but as such, here is the list.

1.) Consistent Lore-Break: First, Jeoffery is of Peasant Blood , that in and of itself is proof enough to cull another rise to power. We have not seen Peasants rule ss Monarchs. Then comes the situation with the triangle trade. Or rather, the Triangle of shame. Elves have no use nor practicality in ores of human and dwarvern tech. Neither would they trade shards of their Godess for such useless items to a society that lives without tech easily and contains runite/adamantite veins. Neither in this situation would the addition of using the Wilderness and "Forinthry" make sense at all. Finally, in accordance to major points without nitpicking
You've clearly taken the rate of training weapons among soldiers out of context. As you stated 5 days to train them without an Elven weaponmsster nor sufficient time to grow familiar with s weapon completely foreign to the soldiers, clearly.

2.) Consistant Meta: You've clearly used the different key notes of individuals that transfer from ooc into ic, clearly with the method you took into finding Camp Donblas. Secondly, the manner in which you've agreed in your previous post to attack, finally to provide false reasonings and statements to "The, then, because as a result of..." the method you hsve so grestly perverted.

30-Nov-2018 21:37:40

Dansplainer
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John McAfee said :
RiDaku said :
As for "and nobody liked them either", that's a lot of OOC you're shoving on the general asgarnian population IC. Wanna powerplay what's essentially my people some more?

PoKs =/= People of their cities. RiDaku said :
PoKs = GM's of their cities.

Dim isn't wrong; even when I lead PoKs, I acknowledge that IC public opinion is not up to me or anyone else. In fact, IC public opinion is almost entirely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, what "the people" think of Jeoffrey means nothing because almost nobody plays the average joes anymore; those that do are so few that they're largely insignificant to the story.

The only reason we do these RP addresses to the public, whether they be propaganda or charity or letters addressed to the people, is to develop the IC narrative. They're literally just fillers to craft an interesting story and nothing more.

Now, in a medieval setting, where most commoners shouldn't be able to read or write, and do not usually have a say in politics (otherwise they're dead), the only thing that should matter to them is if they have food, shelter and their God. As long they have these, their opinions and their presence are both irrelevant and indifferent. Only the higher classes of society, your nobility and wealthy merchants and scheming politicians give a damn about who is the legitimate heir to the throne and the other political themes in our roleplaying environment.

The fact that you are all arguing about this is, despite "the people's opinion" being so incredibly irrelevant, is ridiculous. Just keep IC, IC or don't do public RP. It's very simple. Hi, I'm Dan.

30-Nov-2018 21:39:13 - Last edited on 30-Nov-2018 21:41:49 by Dansplainer

Vekon

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RiDaku said :
None of you are required to interact with Asgarnia. As a settled group, we have a right to look at the people bringing offers to us, and scrutinize them.

In many cases I'd agree with this. But you can't approach leading a PoK from this perspective.
A PoK isn't "a group". It is a locale for RP, led by one or more individuals that essentially host the setting as an environment for others to engage in. It's a public area; all persons should be encouraged to interact. Your Asgarnia has been bustling in activity, even if it is antagonistic from your perspective.

Other groups that don't lead a central, public area like a city or kingdom have a lot more freedom in deciding who to interact with and who to avoid. PoKs can't be the same, it's contradictory to their purpose. While you certainly should be cautious of certain factors or illegitimacy in RP, I don't think Camp Donblas, the Kinshra, or any of the other groups you refer to are getting fair treatment.

Be happy that it's getting the attention. I can't speak for others, but I can tell you that my "interest" in Asgarnia came long before your occupation of it.
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30-Nov-2018 21:40:27

RiDaku
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Finally, in accordance to major points without nitpicking
You've clearly taken the rate of training weapons among soldiers out of context. As you stated 5 days to train them without an Elven weaponmsster nor sufficient time to grow familiar with s weapon completely foreign to the soldiers, clearly.

This is the only point I'm going to actually reply to, because the rest of it is just.. Lol.

Crystal bows are bows. Do you want to know what, about a crystal bow, requires getting familiar with as opposed to a regular bow? The Crystal bow (probably) doesn't flex, and so the draw on the string is much less, while still exerting the same amount of "force" behind a shot because of the next reason, being that the crystal bows provide their own ammunition. Energy. Now what that energy is is entirely up for debate, it could be just magical shot, it could be a bit of Serenic energy, it's not clear what it is and so that much doesn't matter, the important thing is it's not a physical shot. Meaning it doesn't care about wind resistance, or gravity, or any of those other factors. You fire where you aim, with no adjustments required. Aside from that, it's a bow. When you train with European swords and then you pick up a Nordic sword, it's still a sword. The way in which you use it, the weight distribution, those change and require some time to get familiar with. Five days of dedicated training would be enough for a skirmish.

Though, if you guys keep this up when I'm asking Varis to DM me to talk all this over, well.. You're only proving me right. The Sicarius |
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30-Nov-2018 21:49:36

Lord Pyro I
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Vekon said :

I can't speak for others, but I can tell you that my "interest" in Asgarnia came long before your occupation of it.

I can't speak for your "interest" in the region but your and others activity in the region seems to have come about very recently.

I think it is time we address the real elephant in the room here. By all accounts people are flooding into the Camp, not from its IC propaganda but from the friends lists of those opposed to Ridaku. Regardless of whether the propaganda or counter propaganda holds more weight (I think in these cases calling it about even is usually more sensible if both sides make reasonably sensible arguments) IC'ly, it is not what is convincing people to join.

I believe that we need to bring an end to this, to friend's list armies used to fill the ranks despite having no real interest in the RP. As such I recommend that anyone who joined the camp after the intention to attack was declared be disallowed from taking part. Apart from anything else the timing of these events is only an OOC convenience. If IC'ly the attack was ready to go from more or less the moment it was declared then the Camp should not have the IC time to add so many extra recruits to its ranks. Not only is it messing with IC timings to gain an advantage it is effectively metagaming. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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30-Nov-2018 22:03:07

Vekon

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Lord Pyro I said :
Vekon said :

I can't speak for others, but I can tell you that my "interest" in Asgarnia came long before your occupation of it.

I can't speak for your "interest" in the region but your and others activity in the region seems to have come about very recently.

"Recently" in my case would have been over a year ago when I claimed Eastmarch and Port Sarim for Kandarin.

Moreover, you're putting way too much merit into people not wanting to play nice with Ridaku. Before he popped up, the Kinshra were already being antagonistic. Before he popped up, Kandarin was already trying to extend their influence into the region. I can't speak for Camp Donblas as I don't have any real investment in the group.

From what I can tell, however, people are going to join the groups that interest them most. Those that interest them most due to the theme of the RP and how active it is, AND if their established friends are leading/a part of the group. That's because all of us are here to have a good time with our friends. That's how RP has always been. In the recent years, however, it has been much more influential in deciding the numbers of any conflict, of course.

Is it metagaming to make a character to join a group led by your friend OOCly, because you think it'll be fun? By definition of the word, yes. And that is often not a bad thing.

And you are free to "bring an end to this". I think most of the server is aware of the "council" you and others feel inspired to create. But let me tell you this: The moment you feel that you can control the flow of RP on 42, and the thought that you could include and exclude people from participating in the public sphere of the server, you've already failed.
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HouseVekon

30-Nov-2018 22:13:17

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