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Melkarth
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1. Dean's tweet. I didn't see any response to Din or anything about pacification. But, that does add up - Vanescula's attitude in accepting the "challenge" changed based on her lust being pacified by the effects of the new blessing. Here's the tweet & conversation I was looking at:

Drix153 ‏@ptolemos12 Apr 25
@JagexRowl*y What happens to a "true-born" vampyre like Drakan or Vanescula if they tried passing the super buffed River Salve?

Mod Rowl*y
‏@JagexRowl*y
.@ptolemos12 This is where conspiracy theories start, but Vanescula crossed the threshold herself towards the end and then...

Erik ‏@Eriddyn Apr 25
@JagexRowl*y @ptolemos12 they become feral like the juvenates?

AesirWarrior ‏@darthnowell Apr 25
@Eriddyn @JagexRowl*y @ptolemos12 wrong potio Eriddyn, near the end we used the other potion which had a very different effect

Erik ‏@Eriddyn Apr 25
@darthnowell @JagexRowl*y @ptolemos12 Right. The uncertainty of the effects on the true-born has be confused.

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2. I think it was from Lord of Vampyrium, but I don't understand why it's lurking after LoV and RoB. It might just be an oversight, though.

I'd enjoy it more if it wasn't, however.

If Din or Dean or anyone else that can clarify are lurking, pls clarify.

Lady Airlea said :
River of Blood changes some, it doesn't change some. For the most part I think it was the best possible resolution.

I do find it interesting Haemalchemy can change hormone levels though. I'm going to see if there is a way for human explorers to learn this.

I wouldn't say best possible resolution, but I think everything since Branches of Darkmeyer has been a bit of a mess anyway. I think a lot of this didn't make sense, especially that Werewolves (who are inherently supposed to be creatures of Zamorak?) can cross the Salve with ease and declared independence. But it's w/e, can't change.

27-Apr-2016 21:02:13 - Last edited on 27-Apr-2016 21:05:22 by Melkarth

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27-Apr-2016 21:14:27

Sand Traven

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Blisterwood's still causing issues, then? Goodgood.

I'd actually forgotten to ask about this. Only Roald mentions it - are we taking this to mean that it isn't happening? I'd argue against that, and I'd say that the dialogue being restricted to Roald means two things. One, that it's small scale, and two, that it's covert. Aeonis** doesn't discuss it. But he's standing right next to Vanescula, and she's already demonstrated she'd be tetchy about anything that might grant humans an upper hand. It'd be a daft subject for a diplomat to raise.

Then of course, you have the issue of Darkmeyer remaining hostile to humans. On the flip side, the Myreque infiltrated it once before en masse and individuals could feasibly do so again, whether perhaps through disguise, under-the-table voluntary tithing, or performing tasks for one vampyre family or another in the new power games Vanescula speaks of. Right here you have a reason for Myreque roleplay to continue.

Captain Rovin's failure to mention it says to me that the rank-and-file aren't being armed with it. It's probably a small-scale build-up of the stuff to use just in case hostilities are resumed. One man's trash is another's treasure, and one man's cash buys another's pleasure.
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27-Apr-2016 22:54:09

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This.. Entire thing. The whole questline, and that it takes place in the fifth age, deeply affects my Vyre, Jake, who's entire character was based around regretting Vyredom, and becoming a Kinslayer to oppose the tyrannical Vyre rule. It resulted in him going crazy on Rosemarie and dying. So, with these changes.. What happens to him? Do I just revert him way way back before all of this, since it was all solved before he even became a Vyre? Do I just void him entirely, fill in the massive void from his work with the Rovins and Ryders against the Fremmenik to now, and play him from there? What do I do?

I'm actually pretty confused, and I'm at an absolute

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EDIT: Since Way bumped this thread, I should clarify on this post that Rosemarie and I later agreed to void Jake's death so that I could participate in the post-RoB plots. His death had happened in the 6th age before RoB became canon, and was structured to end the character since there was nothing more I could do with him. That's no longer true. The Sicarius |
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27-Apr-2016 23:29:52 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2019 06:16:00 by RiDaku

Melkarth
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Sand Traven said :


I'm not saying it ain't happening, just putting it out there that maybe it isn't. Vanescula does talk to us, though, about handing over the haemalchemy research, and then talks about it probably being used to give us another advantage over her. She fails to mention the blisterwood, and the fact that she's reluctant to hand over knowledge about blood magic suggests to me that it doesn't make much sense for her to hand over blisterwood, or that at least she'd mention it when she's warning us. Vanescula is the only one able to grant access to the blisterwood tree, after all, so if there is any blisterwood being shipped out, she'd know. Further, everyone would probably know, because the tree is in the centre of the city. It doesn't strike me as something the Vyre elite would tolerate. They'd notice a sudden influx of people regularly visiting the blisterwood tree.

You mention the Myreque infiltration, which is true. I mean, I think it was silly, just dress up and nobody will notice, but it's whatever. That, however, was a once off. Harvesting blisterwood would be uhh, y'know. Noticable, you'd think.

There's certainly an avenue for humans to infiltrate the vyre elite. I don't see this situation ending here, and I don't see it ending peacefully. If there's anything we know about Vampyre and Human nature, neither species likes being anywhere but at the top of the food pyramid. There will, most certainly, be a civil war.

But I don't imagine that it will ever be covered in the game. In Gielinor's future, yes, but not in her present. The way the quests ended was so clearly aimed towards resolving as fast and cleanly as possible the Vyre-Myreque conflict. Unfortunately, as ripe as grounds are for a new conflict, I just don't see it happening. That doesn't mean Humans can't prepare for it IC, which I would like to see, but Morytania has lost the unique environment which attracted most of us to her.

27-Apr-2016 23:36:14

Melkarth
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RiDaku said :


You have two avenues:

1. Say it happened before the cure, timescaling it back, and continue as you were,

2. Void it - this is one of the few opportunities where it may be allowed - and say the cure came before he died.

3. Void it all and say he became a Vyre after the cure and immediately got himself cured.

The way time works (or, doesn't?) in RP, along with this being a 5th Age quest, means that you can pretty much do whatever you want in this situation. Say if happened in the 5th Age before the cure, say it happened and then the cure came before he died, or say it happened after the cure and have him cured. You can feasibly pick any of the three. Personally, I think you should pick option 1. It happened before this lore was introduced, so just roll with it being before these events took place. It probably happened over the timespan of more than a year in RP, which is all that's passed in lore since these events took place. So it's really whatever.

27-Apr-2016 23:42:00 - Last edited on 27-Apr-2016 23:42:51 by Melkarth

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Melkarth said :
blisterwood
The way I'm viewing it is the same way we view obtaining higher level metals:
Yes, we can get it, it'll just be difficult to obtain.
I imagine that Vanescula is granting a select few people access to the tree, especially with pressure from Safalaan, but regardless it isn't being handed out left and right, especially with opposition from the vyre elite.
So I'd say having it in RP is equivalent to having mithril or adamant, probably somewhere between those two. You can have it, but, it isn't likely, it's hard to get, and it's going to cost you. Mods pls notice me

28-Apr-2016 00:07:57

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RiDaku said :
This.. Entire thing. The whole questline, and that it takes place in the fifth age, deeply affects my Vyre, Jake, who's entire character was based around regretting Vyredom, and becoming a Kinslayer to oppose the tyrannical Vyre rule. It resulted in him going crazy on Rosemarie and dying. So, with these changes.. What happens to him? Do I just revert him way way back before all of this, since it was all solved before he even became a Vyre? Do I just void him entirely, fill in the massive void from his work with the Rovins and Ryders against the Fremmenik to now, and play him from there? What do I do?

I'm actually pretty confused, and I'm at an absolute

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Personally, I just say roll with it being in the Sixth Age. It's easier that way, since we've all been roleplaying Vampyres to be there anyways since the Battle of Lumbridge. It's better than just taking years of character development and just saying "nope cya."

28-Apr-2016 00:17:04

Ptolemy Dean

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According to a TL;DR on Reddit about the recent stream they add the mods confirmed true-born vampyres don't get hurt by crossing the salve and it's similar as if they drink the potion. Haven't watched the stream myself so someone could go and confirm if they want to.

EDIT: Also a River of Blood Q&A in the Recent Updates forums. "Ptolemos, the friendly, informative Mahjarrat."
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28-Apr-2016 01:07:08 - Last edited on 28-Apr-2016 02:38:34 by Ptolemy Dean

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