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I have a suggestion, and I am sure many will agree with me. This is not exactly a headcanon, but I feel that it fits in here, now that we are discussing River of Blood. As the RP community, why do we not just timescale this quest to have happened in the 6th age? As a result, plots that have happened, such as the Myreque, can remain canon, but be closed off without any lore **** ups? "I am true divinity! I am the father of nations and peoples! I am the thing you merely pretend to be! I am God, and I am King, and you can never defeat me!" ~Galath, Infinity Blade

26-Apr-2016 02:46:41 - Last edited on 26-Apr-2016 02:50:14 by Startraphell

Melkarth
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It's a solid part of lore. It can't be ignored without us becoming an alt cannon community.

If we start to ignore huge chunks of fundamental, consequential race and theme lore that essentially recreates a vast portion of the game in our preferred image, we might as well be roleplaying on a minecraft server.

26-Apr-2016 03:04:12

Marine Doge

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Melkarth said :
It's a solid part of lore. It can't be ignored without us becoming an alt cannon community.

If we start to ignore huge chunks of fundamental, consequential race and theme lore that essentially recreates a vast portion of the game in our preferred image, we might as well be roleplaying on a minecraft server.


Agreed
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26-Apr-2016 18:00:13

Melkarth
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So, hear me out ...

What's changed:

1. Humans are no longer tithed (for now),
2. Werewolves are free of Vampyre dominion (for now),
3. Newly turned Vampyres are eager to take the potion to sate their hunger,
4. Once-Human Vampyres can cross the Salve to change back to Humans,
5. There is seemingly no effect on Trueborn Vampyres crossing the Salve
6. Safalaan and Vanescula lead Morytania together, though Vanescula is still probably the ruler. Efaritay is only an advisor. Safalaan's role is not explicitly made apparent.

("This is where conspiracy theories start, but Vanescula crossed the threshold herself towards the end and then...&quot ;)

BUT

1. Humans are citizens of Meiyerditch, they are still poor, they are still an underclass though no longer mistreated,
2. There's nothing stopping some good old retribution against the Werewolves and enslaving those who do no cross the Salve into the West,
3. Trueborns are not happy with this situation (Vanescula says "Our new alliance is a difficult concept for them to grasp ... the notion that vampyrism is a disease is offensive to us ... I have as much control over them as I do over you).
4. The real power lies with the Trueborns? ("So long as I keep the trueborns happy&quot ;)
5. The peace is tenuous (the first sign of anyone trying to take advantage of this ... to wipe out my kind ... this will all fall apart)
6. Misthalin has blisterwood ... Maybe?

Roald says: "Aeonsig is offering to aid the citizens of Meiyerditch in exchange for shipments of blisterwood".

But, Efaritay, Vanescula, Safalaan and even Aeons*g don't mention it. There's no indication of blisterwood harvesting. Is that sort of scale of blisterwood harvesting even feasible? Why would Vanescula agree to that? The trueborns certainly wouldn't, and they'd break the truce. Possible that Aeons** lied to Road?
He did say he will do his best "if for no other reason to get back into the King’s good graces."

27-Apr-2016 20:20:33

Melkarth
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Furthermore, Aeons*g said of Morytania: "This is punishment! Not a promotion. I hate it here."

We also learned of the 'special powers' of Vampyres through Haemalchemy: Volume 2.

Vanescula is also definitely dissatisfied with the arrangement, as much as she is willing to work through it ("I view it as a challenge&quot ;) .

So what's my opinion on all of this?

Very little has actually changed. Those who wish to leave can, and those who wish to convert back can, and the tithing has stopped. However, the humans of Morytania are still miserable and the strife between the races is as apparent as ever. The trueborn relish their position atop the food pyramid, and lack the conscience of Safalaan to acknowledge the loneliness and appreciate the state of terror it puts their lessers in. Vanescula acknowledges it, but she did not seem to express the same empathy. Rather, she withdrew because she knew she was beaten. There is little evidence to support that she actually wants everyone to be happy - she is just humiliated by the defeat and working with the new situation in order to keep herself and her species safe and from further humiliation.

There is still room for the overbearing, evil, cruel Vyrelord. However, humans are regarded as freemen and citizens, rather than slaves, in Meiyerditch at least.
There is still room for, and even impetus for, the enslavement and maltreatment of werewolves.
The largescale conversion to Vampyres has ended and is being reversed to better ration blood reserves for the trueborns.
The Trueborn continue to make up the elite of Morytania.


In the following post(s) I have put my supporting dialogue (and notes, I didn't edit it).

27-Apr-2016 20:20:38

Melkarth
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Important points from the quest
1. Werewolves do not straight up obey the Vampyres anymore, in House Drakan's moment of weakness. They are free to leave Morytania, as the Salve does not effect them. There is nothing stopping Vyres from attacking/enslaving them, however, if strong enough.

2. Once-Human Vampyres, upon crossing the Salve, are returned to Humanity. This is only optional.

3. The Vampyre elite are not exactly happy with the new arrangement. A disguise is still required in Darkmeyer. Trueborn Vampyres relish their position at the top of the food pyramid.

4. Vanescula is probably plotting something.

Important Dialogue:
Vanescula: You made me lose this battle today. So if you ever make me feel like a stranger in my own home, I will be the slow poison in your cup.
Enjoy this victory. This battle was yours. You did well. Relish it.

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Adventurer: Why are all the vyres here still shocked to see a human? Why do I still need a disguise?
Vanescula: These are the elite of the vampyre nation - they are true-born lords and ladies. Our new alliance is a difficult concept for them to grasp. To them, this is still very much their home, and you are still an interloper. Many of them are still refusing to take the serum, but that will change in time, even if I have to force the issue.
Adventurer: Can't you just tell them to, you know, stop attacking humans?
Vanescula: This is a delicate time for my kind. Change will come slower to us than it will to the humans of Meiyerditch. Until that day, I won't begrudge you killing a few of them. I still have rivals, you know - best to keep them in their place if you want this alliance to work.
Adventurer: Are you suggesting that you can't control them or that you won't?
Vanescula: I have about as much control over them as I do over you.
Adventurer: So, none then?
Vanescula: Sure, if that's how you choose to interpret my statement.

27-Apr-2016 20:21:03

Melkarth
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Vanescula: I have agreed with Efaritay that, as part of our truce, I am to give you my research on haemalchemy. No doubt, to use against my kind if we ever step out of line. Try use it on me, however, and I'll gladly tear out your heart.

Adventurer: So, uh, how goes the truce?
Vanescula: Oh, it's a shambles. I'm going to have to assassinate Efaritay, of course.
*Banter with Safalaan saying not to joke and Efaritay laughing it off*
Vanescula: Oh, fine, it's going about as well as you'd expect.
Adventurer: So, it's good, then?
Blah blah they're all getting along because they hated Lord Drakan so much they found common ground.

When asked how the population is faring:
Vanescula: So long as I keep the trueborns happy, the rest of them will keep in line. The youngest vyres are actually proving eager to take the serum.
At the first sing of anyone trying to take advantage of this new alliance to wipe out my kind, this will all fall apart.

Blah blah blood stores are half depleted but should suffice for the time being.
Safalaan: We've been able to completely stop blood tithings in the short term. Our hope is that down the road we can set up voluntary tithing stations.
Vanescula: Rewarding any citizens that choose to donate, as opposed to punishing slaves that resist.
Efaritay: It will take much for the humans of this region to stop hating the vyres. Trust is further off still. My hope is to rebuild my old castle. If the citizens see that the queen of old has returned, it will help.
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Efaritay: I shall be needed here to advise Safalaan and help to rebuild this place. ... No, still not queen. I dare not assume that mantle again. This is not the kingdom I used to rule. It is something new.
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Further, as explored in Haemalchemy: Volume 2, the 'special powers' of Vampyres are detailed through the use of blood essences. 'Independence of Blood'

27-Apr-2016 20:21:17

Melkarth
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Roald: Aeonsig is offering to aid the citizens of Meiyerditch in exchange for shipments of blisterwood.

But: Efaritay, Aeons*g, Safalaan and Vanescula make no mention of this.

Aeons** only says: This is punishment! Not a promotion. I hate it here. … Though I may not be happy, I shall do my utmost to make this situation work… if for no other reason to get back into the King’s good graces. Maybe then he’ll let me go back home.

Vanescula makes the point that her rule depends on keeping the trueborns happy. She also says that she won’t tolerate anything that seems to be an attempt to get one up on the Vyres, except allowing the haemalchemy research.

On crossing the Salve as a Trueborn:

All we have is:
Mod Rowl*y‏@JagexRowl*y
.@ptolemos12 This is where conspiracy theories start, but Vanescula crossed the threshold herself towards the end and then...


Also:

Upon leaving Castle Drakan, we get the notification:

"Your body may have temporarily escaped Castle Drakan, but your mind remains trapped within..."

What could this mean?


Is it all a lie?

27-Apr-2016 20:21:31 - Last edited on 27-Apr-2016 20:25:29 by Melkarth

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River of Blood changes some, it doesn't change some. For the most part I think it was the best possible resolution.

I do find it interesting Haemalchemy can change hormone levels though. I'm going to see if there is a way for human explorers to learn this.
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27-Apr-2016 20:39:59

Sand Traven

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Melkarth said :


On crossing the Salve as a Trueborn:

All we have is:
Mod Rowl*y‏@JagexRowl*y
.@ptolemos12 This is where conspiracy theories start, but Vanescula crossed the threshold herself towards the end and then...


Also:

Upon leaving Castle Drakan, we get the notification:

"Your body may have temporarily escaped Castle Drakan, but your mind remains trapped within..."

What could this mean?



Is that quote from Mod Rowly the answer to Eridyn's question? He was talking about that earlier. In the quest, Vanescula steps over the river and suddenly changes. The conjecture (I won't say inference, but only to cover my delicious ass) is that a True-Born crossing the Salve is pacified. That, apparently, is what has happened to Vanescula.

As to the Castle Drakan-leaving notification, isn't that the one we got when leaving the castle during Lord of Vampyrium, basically saying in meta-terms that we can return to continue our quest from where we left off? Or am I wrong? If I'm wrong, that's a very suspicious little line.
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27-Apr-2016 20:44:15

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