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Rooh
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Dong U Dead said :

If done correctly and looked after correctly I don't see what's wrong with it

You should read that article I posted a link to Dong, it might change your mind.
here's the gist (
warning, not pleasant reading
)

The training
Phajaan, or elephant crushing, is a long-standing accepted tradition in Thai culture. This harmful training method is what elephants undergo to become part of the tourism industry. Young elephants are taken from their mothers and confined to a small place, then abused with bullhooks and bamboo sticks spiked with nails. They are also starved and deprived of sleep, in order to crush their spirits and become submissive to humans.

This is an accepted practice in Thailand, and many elephants you will see in trekking camps will have undergone this horrific process. However, this is not the only reason you should give elephant riding a miss.

Elephant health
Elephants' spines cannot support the weight of people and doing so all day can lead to permanent spinal injuries. There are further complications from having a chair (howdah) attached to their backs. This clunky contraption rubs on their backs, causing blisters that can become infected. In addition, wear and tear on the elephant’s feet after long-term trekking can cause foot infections and injuries.

Social interaction
Elephants are a lot like humans. They socialize, have families and friends, feel pain, sorrow and happiness. When they are in trekking camps, they are often not engaging with other elephants. In some camps, they live their lives essentially in solitary confinement.

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Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about?

27-Jul-2021 13:28:40 - Last edited on 27-Jul-2021 13:31:46 by Rooh

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(continued)

Living conditions
Baby elephants are chained to their mothers during treks, which can cause them harm, as they must keep pace with their mother as she walks. These baby elephants can't stop to rest or nurse as they must continue trekking. To keep the pace, the guide (mahout) will prod the elephants with a bullhook to keep them moving. The bullhook, which elephants remember from their torture during the phajaan, can immediately strike fear in them. This fear can trigger a reaction that can not only hurt the elephants, but also the riders.

After the trek, the elephants are kept chained when they aren't working. They are not fed enough or given enough water. Many travelers have reported seeing elephants swaying, pacing and bobbing their heads at trekking camps – signs of serious psychological stress.
Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about?

27-Jul-2021 13:29:24

Kiwi Magic

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^After reading that I'm really against riding elephants.

Do you remember when I told you I was watching the series Kung Fu? Well in one episode Caine was given a horse with a saddle on it, and Caine refused to ride the horse saying 'he does not ride horses because he did not wish to burden the horse'. Instead he led the horse on foot.

He could also approach a horse that hadn't been broken in and calm it simply by touching it. He was a Shaolin priest and the whole series was based on the true teachings of Shaolin Buddhism.

Edit: Mind you Caine had many views that we would consider extreme, for example he didn't eat meat, walked barefoot and did not carry a weapon in the wild west 150 years ago.
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27-Jul-2021 13:48:10 - Last edited on 27-Jul-2021 15:43:45 by Kiwi Magic

Dong U Dead

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@Rooh - not all owners are like this. As I was saying you get the good and the bad. Westerners treat animals just as bad, not all but a lot.

Look at the heavy loads horses have had to delt with over the years, it's westerners so it's ok. Look at the stunts horses do for movies, that's ok it's westerners...
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28-Jul-2021 02:15:36

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A little over 20 years ago we had several horses. They were usually purchased ready broken but just needed what is called 'Bringing On', that is, some gentle and persuasive obedience training to further their abilities.
We were offered a beautiful unbroken horse for a very reasonable purchase price and our daughter, who was a young teenager at the time and the main trainer, persuaded us to buy the horse.
After many months our daughter declared it was a very difficult and a seemingly impossible task, she felt she had taken on too much.
Then we came across a new book that changed all that. 'The Horse Whisperer' was a revelation at the time, and our daughter, after reading it and being inspired by it was willing to give some of the techniques a go with our recalcitrant horse.
The techniques were very simple, ridiculously simple, step by step human behavioural techniques that worked like a magical charm.
Within 3 days we had a horse that was willing to let you approach it and it approach you in a very charmingly friendly way, Formally he wanted no interaction whatsoever.
Within 2 weeks he was willing to be ridden.
The whole concept of the techniques was to convince the horse that it 'needs you' more than you 'need it'. One of the techniques being 'approach, detach, distance and ignore - it worked like a miracle.

28-Jul-2021 12:55:15

Kiwi Magic

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^The Horse Whisperer sounds a lot like Caine out of Kung Fu, probably using the same techniques.

I have heard of The Horse Whisperer in a movie and books. But it only just came to mind when you mentioned it.
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28-Jul-2021 14:58:19

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